We (the chairs) discussed what to do with the milestones.  The existing Wiki already shows what drafts have request adoption and requested last call.  The datatracker already shows what has been adopted.  Trying to list specific topics we "want" to work on seems counter-productive, since the actual answer is "the things which fall within chart and to which the WG is prepared to apply energy."  Judging the later part of that is what the lengthy text (which will be added to the policy page of the wiki if the chart is approved) tells everyone.  If the WG changes the basis for judging such energy, then the wiki page will be updated.  This is, after all, the job of the chairs to judge.

We considered putting each draft that we agreed to adopt onto the milestones list.  But concluded that was redundant and unlikely to help anyone?  Would it really help the IESG for us to list all of the topcis for which we have currently adopt drafts?  Remember, we are doing this recharter largely to clarify the relationship with srv6ops.  Not because we want to change our scoping.

Yours,

Joel

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This sentence makes my brain hurt, simply because the syntax requires way too
much parsing:

    Any modification of -or extension to- existing architectures, data
    planes, or control or management plane protocols should be carried
    out in the WGs responsible for the architecture, data plane, or
    control or management plane protocol being modified and in
    coordination with the SPRING WG, but may be done in SPRING WG after
    agreement with all the relevant WG chairs and responsible Area
    Directors.

(Also, the "-or extension to-" thing is just wrong, turn those dashes into
commas, if that text is kept. There are some definite articles missing and
stuff, too.)

I don't have a fantastic rewrite to offer, but a first attempt might be to
break it into several smaller sentences, as in,

    Any modification of, or extension to, existing architectures, data
    planes, or control or management plane protocols should be carried
    out in the WGs responsible for the same. The responsible WG should
    coordinate with the SPRING WG. Alternatively, the work may be done in
    the SPRING WG after agreement with all the relevant WG chairs and
    responsible Area Directors.

I'll be interested in the response to Roman's BLOCK, and I want to echo his
implicit "why aren't any milestones listed?"



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