So in investgiating this further, there is a further problem.
I’ve checked on 4 different linux boxes with 4 different network cards.
Linux by default offloads TX checksumming on a lot of network
cards. If you originate a packet with a microsid and no SRH – and
the linux box offloads the checksum generation – the checksum
generated by the NIC will be incorrect – and when the packet
arrives at the end host – if that end host is running RX
checksumming – the checksum will fail and the packet will be dropped.
If you disable TX checksumming – the kernel will have no way to
tell if the packet is an Ipv6 or a microsid packet, it will
therefore use the DA – and generate an incorrect checksum. Again –
if RX checksumming is enabled on the receiving end point – the
packet will get dropped.
Effectively this does NOT just affect middle boxes – it effects
anything generating a packet directed to a microsid that either
offloads the tx to hardware (whichi will have no clue this is a
microsid) or in the alternative is generating tx checksums itself
via kernel mechanisms that will treat these packets as standard
Ipv6 packets.
This is broken – severely broken.
Andrew
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Hi all,
Section 6.5 of draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression specifies how
an SR source node originating a packet with an upper layer checksum
determines the Destination Address for use in the IPv6 pseudo-header.
As a co-author, I’d say that the current text of 6.5 is good.
This text is aligned with RFC 8200. It only indicates how the text
in Section 8.1 of RFC 8200 applies to the SIDs of
draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression. This is necessary since RFC
8200 does not specify the format nor behavior of any source routing
scheme.
Thanks,
Francois
On 4 Apr 2024 at 00:10:55, Joel Halpern
<jmh.dir...@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
I can not speak to the "norm" for other working groups. The
SPRING charter is very specific about what we have to do if we
want to change an underlying protocol. We have to go back to
the WG which owns that protocol.
6man gets to decide if the change is acceptable, and if it is
acceptable how it is to be represented. SPRINGs job is to make
sure we are asking the question we intend.
Yours,
Joel
On 4/3/2024 6:05 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:
Ok Joel,
Thank you for this clarification.
To me the actual spirit of RFC8200 8.1 is to say that it is
ok to compute the checksum by the src such that it comes
out right at the final destination.
But I guess we can have different opinions about that.
But what I find specifically surprising here is that it is
a norm in IETF to have new specifications defining protocol
extensions and their behaviour and never go back to the
original protocol RFC to check if this is ok or not. If
that would not be a normal process I bet we would still be
using classful IPv4 routing all over the place.
Regards,
Robert
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 11:28 PM Joel Halpern
<j...@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
The concern with regard to the text that the chairs are
asking about is not about intermediate nodes verifying
the checksum. The text does not talk aabout that, so
we are not asking about that.
But, the text in 8200 specifies how the originating
node is to compute the upper layer checksum. It
doesn't say "do whatever you need to do to make the
destination come out right". It provides specific
instructions. Yes, it is understandable that those
instructions do not cover the compressed container
cases. Which is why the compression document specifies
changes to those procedures.
Thus, we need to ask 6man how they want to handle the
change in the instructions in 8200.
the question we are asking SPRING is whether there is
any clarification people want to the text in the
compression draft before we send the question over to 6man.
Yours,
Joel
On 4/3/2024 5:15 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:
Hi Joel,
My interpretation of text from RFC8200 is that it
allows discrepancy between the header and the upper
layer checksum as long as final packet's
destination sees the correct one.
The last condition is met.
So I see no issue.
Sure RFC8200 does not talk about SRH nor cSIDs, but
provides a hint on how to handle such future
situations.
With that being said I would like to still
understand what real problem are we hitting here ...
Kind regards,
Robert
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 11:09 PM Joel Halpern
<j...@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
There are two cases covered in section 6.5 of
the compression draft that appear to be at
variance with secton 8.1 of RFC 8200.
First, if the final destination in the routing
header is a compressed container, then the
ultimate destination address will not be the
same as the final destination shown in the
routing header.
Second, if a uSID container is used as the
destination address and no SRH is present, then
in addition to the above problem there is no
routing header to trigger the behavior described.
Yours,
Joel
On 4/3/2024 4:22 PM, Robert Raszuk wrote:
Hi Alvaro,
Section 6.5 of
draft-ietf-spring-srv6-srh-compression
describes the
behavior when an originating node
inside an SRv6 domain creates a
packet with a C-SID as the final
destination. _This description differs
from the text in Section 8.1 of RFC8200._
I would like you to clarify the above
statement - specifically of the last sentence.
Reason for this that after looking at both
drafts I find section 6.5 of the subject
draft to be exactly in line with RFC8200
section 8.1 especially with the paragraf
which says:
* If the IPv6 packet contains a
Routing header, the Destination
Address used in the pseudo-header is that
of the final
destination. At the originating node, that
address will be in
the last element of the Routing
header; at the recipient(s),
that address will be in the
Destination Address field of the
IPv6 header.*
So before we dive into solutions (as Andrew
has already provided a few of) I think we
should first agree on what precise problem
are we solving here ?
Many thx,
Robert
PS. As a side note I spoke with my hardware
folks - just to check if validation of
upper-layer checksum is even an option for
transit nodes. The answer is NO as most
data plane hardware can read at most 256
bytes of packets. So unless there is some
specialized hardware processing up to 9K
packets in hardware at line rates this
entire discussion about checksum
violations, fears of firing appeals is just
smoke.
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