Brian,

> On Feb 28, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jingrong,
> 
> Thanks for your suggestion.
> 
>> so that the tunnel endpoint
>> router (C) doesn't have to deal with SRH.
> 
> Actually, why does this matter? RFC8200 already handles this case:
> 
>   If, while processing a received packet, a node encounters a Routing
>   header with an unrecognized Routing Type value, the required behavior
>   of the node depends on the value of the Segments Left field, as
>   follows:
> 
>      If Segments Left is zero, the node must ignore the Routing header
>      and proceed to process the next header in the packet, whose type
>      is identified by the Next Header field in the Routing header.
> 
> If a non-SRV6 capable router receives SRV6 with segments-left == 0, it
> must ignore it. (So why is PSP needed at all?)

Good point and question.   This is why there is a common base format for all 
IPv6 routing headers, it allows for this case.

Bob


> 
> Regards
>   Brian
> 
> On 28-Feb-20 20:54, Xiejingrong (Jingrong) wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks Ted for the constructive suggestions, which remind me to try to 
>> understand the questions. Here are the questions I think give the clear 
>> suggestions for LC.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Brian: So could the draft make this explicit, because I guarantee you it is 
>> not in the least obvious to the non-expert reader?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jinmei: it should say it updates this part of RFC8200 and explain why it's 
>> justified.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Joel: it would seem that there ought to be a good reason for including PSP, 
>> rather than claiming that objectors need to motivate removing it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bob: There seems to be questions about its relationship with RFC8200.  I am 
>> not seeing this as being resolved.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As far as I understand the concern and the draft, I may have the following 
>> proposed text, though I don’t know if that will help to close or narrow the 
>> gap:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ****Proposed text to explicitly explain the PSP at the end of 4.16.1 of 
>> rev-10****
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Note that, the SRH is used in an X-in-IP6 tunnel end point case, that is, 
>> router (A)
>> 
>> imposes an SRH, and a Penultimate Segment router (B) removes the SRH before
>> 
>> this packet goes to the tunnel end point router (C), so that the tunnel 
>> endpoint
>> 
>> router (C) doesn't have to deal with SRH.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This has some very important benefits for deployment in some networks when 
>> the
>> 
>> final tunnel end point is a lower-end node which is not capable of processing
>> 
>> the SRH for reasons like the hardware is overloaded or unable to upgraded to
>> 
>> process well with SRH.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The use of SRH with AH by an SR source node, and processing at a SR 
>> Penultimate
>> 
>> segment endpoint node is not defined in 
>> <draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header>
>> 
>> or in this document.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The use of PSP does not impact the MTU Considerations defined in section 5.3 
>> of
>> 
>> <draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header>.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The design of PSP for the benefits of deployment is based on the 
>> understanding
>> 
>> that it does not violate section 4 of RFC8200. In case the RFC8200 text may 
>> be
>> 
>> modified in the future, the PSP may also need to change accordingly.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In case the final tunnel endpoint router is fully capable of the 
>> functionality
>> 
>> of SRH and the SRv6-NP defined in this document, it is recommended not to use
>> 
>> the PSP.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ***End****
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Jingrong
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:*spring [mailto:spring-boun...@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Ted Lemon
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 4:55 AM
>> *To:* Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) <pcama...@cisco.com>
>> *Cc:* spring@ietf.org; 6...@ietf.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [spring] Request to close the LC and move forward//RE: WGLC - 
>> draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 27, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) <pcama...@cisco.com 
>> <mailto:pcama...@cisco.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>    The discussion that we are having is about PSP which has nothing to do 
>> with that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So, there is text in the document that addresses Brian’s question?
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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