The quickemu scripts (GitHub) seemed to work well with Win11 and swtpm. That’s too bad about Spice - so development is stopped?
On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 8:30 AM Carlos González <piteccel...@gmail.com> wrote: > First, thanks *very* much for your complete explanations, and at the same > time offering apologies. Not justifiable, but I was kind of anxious and a > bit desperate of finally setting up a win11 VM with SPICE just the way I > did with win10. > > I think this is already well known but, why SPICE? For me, because of all > the following features: > ---Graphic acceleration --even if just 2D, QXL worked *far* better than > any other available virtual driver > ---All the paravirtualized drivers, which are still offering the best > performance > ---Easy USB and sound redirection > ---Clipboard sharing > ---Copy-and-paste --even if just files and only from host to guest > ---Automatic resolution resizing with SPICE window > And perhaps other ones I may be already forgetting... > > I already know what's said about software in general, that it's big enough > and *always* comes and goes. But now that SPICE in general is dead, or in > the process of, it'll take many years for another entire solution offering > *all* these features to appear. > > I no longer want to set up windows VMs with generic virtualized drivers, > and all what you just explained further supports this way of thinking. > > So, humbly trying to ask here, what else can I do? Or where else to try > asking? > > Thanks very much and apologies again. > > P.S.: small offtopic: I'm also having problems trying to set up TPM2 > emulation for win11 VM, using swtpm package. I think the author, user > "stefanb", is an IBM employee, but employees never offer free support... > Where could I ask for support with this? Thanks again. > > El sáb, 3 sept 2022 a las 6:38, Frediano Ziglio (<fredd...@gmail.com>) > escribió: > >> Il giorno ven 2 set 2022 alle ore 22:23 Carlos González >> <piteccel...@gmail.com> ha scritto: >> > >> > So the "rumors" are true: you (in general) really did discontinue/kill >> the qxl drivers, if not the entire SPICE project soon. Was it because IBM? >> Since being sold to them the first one to die was Centos, now this... >> > >> >> Hi Carlos, >> In Italy we use the expression "È come sparare sulla Croce Rossa" >> (more or less "it's like shooting at the Red Cross"). >> It's like accusing a doctor trying to save a life that it's trying to >> kill somebody. >> As Victor is actively contributing to SPICE as a developer (you can >> find multiple recent emails and commits in this ML and related >> projects without much effort) is not kind to point fingers. >> >> > FYI: >> > >> https://gist.github.com/pojntfx/b860e123e649504bcd298aa6e92c4043#file-main-sh-L32 >> > >> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/virglrenderer-devel/2021-January/001897.html >> > virtio-gpu implies virgl, and currently only works on Linux guests; >> RedHat people explicitly deemed the Windows work "not worthy". >> > >> >> Let's get back to the technical side of this thread. >> That's not entirely true. Virgl it's an "option" to virtio-gpu. By >> default Virgl is not enabled. Virgl adds 3D support to Qemu virtual >> cards, as far as I know it's the only virtual GPU (bypass are not >> virtual) in Qemu supporting 3D. Although QXL was born alongside SPICE >> while Virgl is more related to Qemu directly, efforts were made to >> support all features QXL provides using virtio-gpu. So the technical >> suggestion Victor gave is not against SPICE. You have also to consider >> the way QXL works and how the graphics software stacks evolved in >> time. QXL design it's 2D only, supporting a lot of specific commands >> and options for Windows 95/98/XP. Yes, you read well, Windows XP... >> which was declared unsupported 12 years ago! At that time OSes relay >> to the GPU plenty of complex 2D commands. Nowadays most OSes (if not >> all but surely Linux, Windows and Mac) use 3D commands for everything, >> and many brushes, raster operations and similars are long since gone. >> Taken all that into account, with a modern OS the commands QXL and >> virtio-gpu use are basically the same. >> >> > Thanks for killing the project. >> > >> >> Now let's get back to the less technical. >> Beside reiterating that pointing fingers to Victor is not fair nor kind... >> Yes, SPICE was, company wise, well founded and supported by Red Hat >> (which _had_ a specific team for it). After RedHat was acquired by IBM >> some investments were moved from desktop side to the cloud. More or >> less RedHat/IBM thinks that spending money on Linux desktop is not >> worth much. That includes SPICE, Virgl and Windows drivers but others. >> >> Regards, >> Frediano >> >> > El vie, 2 sept 2022 a las 6:53, Victor Toso (<victort...@redhat.com>) >> escribió: >> >> >> >> Hi Carlos, >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 02, 2022 at 12:08:04AM +0000, Carlos González wrote: >> >> > I downloaded latest virtio-win ISO, and by browsing it I >> >> > noticed that, unlike the other drivers, for the qxldod one >> >> > there's only up to win10, and no explicit win11 versions. >> >> > >> >> > Does this mean that there are no drivers for Windows 11, and no >> >> > possibility of setting up a VM with full SPICE support? >> >> > >> >> > Thanks beforehand. >> >> >> >> You are correct, the last cycle of development was focused for >> >> windows 10. >> >> >> >> I expect windows 11 to maintain some compatibility with windows >> >> 10 so the drivers should work to some extent but I did not test >> >> it. >> >> >> >> I'd not hope for further development on qxl unless there is >> >> someone interested in investing time on it (and it would take >> >> some time). >> >> >> >> I'd instead switch to virtio-vga / virtio-gpu as this seems to >> >> have an active community. >> >> >> >> https://github.com/virtio-win/kvm-guest-drivers-windows >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Victor >> >
