I have to agree even without Bayes! I have spammy legit mail that isn't business related get flagged a lot. It is a real PITA because it effects my evilrules. Same thing, users don't uncheck the "send me all sorts of junk from your network partners" when they sign up for something.
I've had conversations with legit mass emailers that have to fight getting there legit opt-in only email to customers, because of antispam software. I've been wanting to write a guide to legit emailers on how to make there emails seem less spammy. I think legit companies need to realise there are certain guidlines they should follow when writing legit emails. It is a price to pay now, with all the antispam efforts. Many really have no idea how the antispam stuff works, and what they need to do to reduce there own FPs on sent mail. The company I had talked to was in the medical field, and they have a hell of a time as you can imagine. I guess it is the whole "Fish or fishing pole" moral. Teach the legit mailers how to not hit the basic rules. That should take care of a lot of FPs right there. --Chris Santerre > -----Original Message----- > From: Covington, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 12:10 PM > To: Larry Gilson; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [SAtalk] scoring system and values... > > > Definitely FPs. I think SA has a very difficult time with solicited > commercial email, even with Bayes feeding. I had to up my site-wide > installation to 10.0 to get only the worst of the worst and to stop > people's solicited Princeline / Day's Inn, etc. hotel > confirmations and > travel/real estate deals lists from getting tagged. > > And it doesn't help that Razor, DCC and Pyzor have a lot of users that > report legitimate solicited commercial email as spam (the people that > forget to uncheck "send me great offers" when they order a > product from > a vendor, and then report those vendors' "great offers" as spam). > > Maybe it's better to not use Bayes at all on a site-wide basis. I've > noticed Columbia University doesn't use Bayes... > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Larry Gilson > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:18 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [SAtalk] scoring system and values... > > I don't know if this really fits in this subject or not. However, I > keep > thinking while reading this thread if anyone considers real opt-in > advertisements/messages that get tagged by SA (like from OshKosh, > Travelocity, Lands' End, etc.) to be a FP or not. Do site-wide Bayes > installs have a hard time differentiating without feeding? > > Thanks, > Larry > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, > 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest > developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, > WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Spamassassin-talk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: ApacheCon 2003, 16-19 November in Las Vegas. Learn firsthand the latest developments in Apache, PHP, Perl, XML, Java, MySQL, WebDAV, and more! http://www.apachecon.com/ _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk
