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Hello Bernd,

Saturday, September 13, 2003, 5:34:11 PM, you wrote:

BK> since I am not the only having this problem according to some other
BK> newsgroup I would like to ask why the Bayes filter does not help.

I'm not one of the most technically advanced SA-heavies on the list, but
since nobody else has answered yet, I'll do my best.

BK> Ok, the long story: Since yesterday I am bombarded with spam. Those
BK> mails look like bounces of mails I sent, but I didnīt.

In other words, they LOOK as if they're proper emails, being sent to you
by other systems because of some intelligible reason?

BK> As To: adress is some random name + my domain name. The mails get
BK> caught by my catchall function which I changed some minutes ago
BK> hoping this will direct those spam in the right box.

Good.

These are completely random names, emails which are not published on any
web site, and have not been used to post to Usenet or such?

My experience then may be slightly different -- the hundreds of emails
I've received have all been to published email addresses, those we post
on our web site so customers and vendors can reach us for specific
purposes (eg: [EMAIL PROTECTED]). We never send out email from these
addresses, so we know the bounces are bogus.

BK> My real question is, I tried to put all of those mails, which seam to
BK> have the same attachment (containing some HTML code and an URL which
BK> shows the v***** ad), into the bayes_db with sa-learn, but this seams
BK> not to work.   

BK> I issued the sa-learn command which I used frequently in 2.55 on a
BK> spam-filled mbox-file but as a result I get this: 
BK> Learned from 0 message(s) (0 message(s) examined).

That would imply to me that these messages all have the same message id.
Can you confirm whether that's the case?

BK> Debug shows no error messages. My setup is Linux with Perl 5.8.0.
BK> The command I used is: sa-learn --spam --showdots -D --mbox ./Spam

Have you tried it without the -D and/or without the --showdots? I think I
read on the list some time back that the -D option caused problems with
some sa-learn executions. And for under 100 messages, --showdots is
unimportant.

BK> I am sure that the mbox is valid, for test purposes I created a new 
BK> mbox with mailutil from the uw-imap2002e package and got the same 
BK> result.

Should be OK.  I do the same with an export from my email client.

BK> The bayes_db itself is approx. 5MB in size:
BK> -rw-------    1 exim     exim       630784 Sep 14 02:16 bayes_seen
BK> -rw-------    1 exim     exim      5287936 Sep 14 02:16 bayes_toks

That's about the same size as one of my databases, so that should be OK
too. Do you run your sa-learn as user exim? That's the only userid that
has read/update access to the database.

BK> I read that there are standard values limiting the size so I put
BK>     bayes_expiry_min_db_size 1000000
BK>     bayes_expiry_scan_count 50000
BK> into user_prefs but it seems not to help. Deleting the old bayes_db
BK> and the creation of a new one through sa-learn makes also no
BK> difference.

I wouldn't think so.  I have never bothered with these on my system.

BK> What can I do to bring those mails into the bayes_db?

Check http://www.exit0.us/index.php/VirusBounceRules for some ideas.
On my system I've created rules that specifically test for email
addresses from which we do not send out emails, and I include that in
meta rules which identify these types of problem emails.

Also, since
BK> ... all of those mails, which seam to have the same attachment
BK> (containing some HTML code and an URL which shows the v***** ad), ...
is that URL consistent?  If so, you should be able to trap them using an
intelligent URI rule.  See http://www.exit0.us/index.php/SaUriCustomRules
for some ideas.

Bob Menschel

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