At Sat Aug 16 09:52:15 2003, Simon Byrnand wrote: > > > > If you're on the Office 2003 beta programme, then you might consider > > reporting the alleged change in behaviour (apparently, Outlook no > > longer generates its own Message-ID, relying on the MTA to generate > > one instead) as a possible bug. > > I'm not on the beta program, and in any case I don't see that Microsoft is > likely to listen to anything we might like to suggest about what they > should or shouldn't do in future versions of OE...
As I've pointed out in a previous message on this topic, it's not impossible that this behaviour is a bug. It it is reported, there will be one of two responses - "Oops, it's a bug, we'll fix before release", or "No, that's a deliberate design decision, live with it". If it is a deliberate choice on Microsoft's part, they may have made it without considering all the ramifications. Pointing out that this is causing a problem with third party software may or may not prompt them to review this, but unless it's reported as a problem, they'll never know people are concerned about this. I think this is an issue with Outlook, btw, not Outlook Express. > Are you sure that its not generating its own Message-ID ? Just how is that No, which is why I wrote "apparently". Another poster has suggested that this is what is happening. > being determined ? From a visual glance at my own sample message I can't > see how SA can possibly be determining whether the Message-ID is being > generated by the client or not. There are ways to check - for example send messages from Outlook via two different SMTP servers that are known to be running different MTAs. Or use something like ethereal to sniff the conversation between Outlook and the MTA to see whether or not Outlook is sending a Message-ID with the message. > http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2135 > > >> Also broken is MSGID_OE_SPAM_4ZERO which triggers on netfolders > >> updates.. > > > > Likewise, if that's in the corpora used by people contributing to the > > mass-checks it'll affect the score in 2.60. > > Perhaps, but wouldn't it be better to actually fix the problem ? These two It would be, but as you say below, the report came too late for 2.60. It has to be the developers' choice as to how they manage the software. I'm not happy with their decision in this case either, but that's life. It's not necessarily too late for things to be changed - I believe that the developers can exert control over the GA process (for example, to tell the GA that certain rules are not allowed to have scores above a certain level, and it will obey those constraints). > rules combined are enough to go over a threshold of 7 let alone the > default 5, and both rules are essentially broken. > > If the GA decides that it has to reduce the scores for those two rules > dramatically (and I have a strong suspicion it wont, due to a likely lack > of example messages in the GA corpus) then the effectiveness of the rules > will be lost in any case. If it becomes a major problem, it's not inconceivable that the scoring might be redone between minor revisions (as happened between 2.53 and 2.54). > It's unfortunate that at the time I reported it (before 2.55 came out, > from memory) that it was deemed too late to fix for 2.60...due to the > "feature freeze" at the time. (I argued it was a bug fix to existing > rules, but oh well.... :) This is one of the problems with beta software. What happens if the developers remove this rule, and then Outlook 2003 is released with different behaviour, and goes back to Outlook 2000-style message-ids? You suddenly get significant problems with spammers forging X-Mailer headers again (a la 2.5[0123]). We'll have to see what happens.... Martin -- Martin Radford | "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | men just upload their important stuff -o) Registered Linux user #9257 | on ftp and let the rest of the world /\\ - see http://counter.li.org | mirror it ;)" - Linus Torvalds _\_V -- Martin Radford | "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | men just upload their important stuff -o) Registered Linux user #9257 | on ftp and let the rest of the world /\\ - see http://counter.li.org | mirror it ;)" - Linus Torvalds _\_V ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk
