Thanks Pine - I'm having trouble myself understanding what your trouble is exactly and how it could be resolved, but feel free to follow up offlist. My main goal was to bring that Dutch reaction to Guillaume's post to people's attention.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tilman, I'm still having trouble with following this train of thought, > but in any case it will be interesting to see how the blog post plays out in > the socials. > > Pine > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Tilman Bayer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Pine, I'm not sure why you read a suggestion into this. The blog post >> is already out (and the social media messages have been taken care >> of), we'll see what its reception and impact are. >> >> If you read the whole post, the second-to-last paragraph (together >> with the preceding one on computer-mediated communication) contains >> some explanations why certain autistic traits - e.g. intensive >> attention to detail - might be seen as strengths in the context of >> working on Wikipedia, facilitating positive contributions that benefit >> the project and its readers. That's what I was referring to, with the >> hope that this aspect about the upsides of neurodiversity will prevail >> over negative readings of the post such as in the the link I >> shared. >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Tilman, can you explain further what you're suggesting? I would worry >> > about >> > a narrative that tied difficulties in community interactions to an >> > alleged >> > prevalance of Autism-spectrum disorders in the Wikimedia community, and >> > I >> > think you agree with that sentiment, but I'm not sure how this blog post >> > ties into "a corrective for the negative narrative that has been >> > developed >> > about the editing community's attitudes in many places." Can you >> > elaborate? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Pine >> > >> > On Aug 3, 2015 5:33 AM, "Tilman Bayer" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> This thread is veering a bit offtopic ;) but I can't help piling on: >> >> Kudos to Guillaume for sharing this, and the talk in Mexico was great >> >> too - I'm very glad I went to see it. >> >> >> >> Be aware that someone is trying to tie the post to the gender gap >> >> discussion, citing the higher incidence of autism in men: >> >> >> >> https://edoornbusch.wordpress.com/2015/08/02/wikisoap-autisme-gendergap/ >> >> (Google Translate should give the gist; also of the reaction of the >> >> editor she diagnosed with autism for reverting or deleting her >> >> contributions about jewelry designers >> >> >> >> >> >> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Paul_Brussel#De_fout_ligt_nooit_bij_jezelf >> >> ) >> >> Without disputing or confirming that particular blogger's account that >> >> she may have had unpleasant interactions on the Dutch Wikipedia: It >> >> would be unfortunate if Guillaume's call for neurodiversity became an >> >> excuse for people to remotely diagnose mental health issues in >> >> Wikipedians who correct or delete their contributions (and yes, I >> >> realize that it is purposefully and rightfully never called a disorder >> >> in Guillaume's post - but in other parts of society we are still far >> >> from "autistic" not being perceived a pejorative). On the other hand, >> >> Guillaume's post might become very valuable as a corrective for the >> >> negative narrative that has been developed about the editing >> >> community's attitudes in many places. After all, what's so wrong about >> >> an encyclopedia being written by people who are "obsessed with >> >> citations, references, and verifiability"? >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Katherine Maher <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Chiming in late, but +1 on everything everyone else has said. Really >> >> > appreciate your sharing this Guillaume. I was sad to have missed it >> >> > at >> >> > Wikimania, and thrilled to learn you had written a blog version to >> >> > share. >> >> > >> >> > On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Joe Sutherland >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Gonna share this on Monday morning for those sweet sweet clix. Great >> >> >> work team. >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, 2 August 2015, Andrew Sherman <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I agree as well with James. Guillaume this story is just fantastic. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> +1 to both as well. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 5:53 PM, James Alexander >> >> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Guillaume Paumier >> >> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Joe Sutherland >> >> >>>>> > <[email protected]> >> >> >>>>> > wrote: >> >> >>>>> > > >> >> >>>>> > > *Twitter (@wikipedia/@wikimedia):* >> >> >>>>> > > • "As you can imagine, realizing at 31 that you are on the >> >> >>>>> > > autism spectrum >> >> >>>>> > > changes your perception dramatically." >> >> >>>>> > > >> >> >>>>> > > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/07/31/autistic-wikipedia-life/ >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> > LGTM like the quote, don't have a great alternative to sneak >> >> >>>>> > in >> >> >>>>> > Guillaume's twitter account as a mention >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> The following twoosh could work: >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Wikipedian @gpaumier found out at 31 he was autistic: "As you can >> >> >>>>> imagine, it >> >> >>>>> changes your perception dramatically." >> >> >>>>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/07/31/autistic-wikipedia-life/ >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> But it feels a bit self-serving to be the one suggesting it, so >> >> >>>>> I'm >> >> >>>>> also fine >> >> >>>>> with Joe's original proposal. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Well it IS aiming to promote you, self-serving is kinda the point >> >> >>>> ;) >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> both LGTM for what it's worth. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> James Alexander >> >> >>>> Community Advocacy >> >> >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >> >> >>>> (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> Social-media mailing list >> >> >>>> [email protected] >> >> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >> >> >>>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> Andrew Sherman >> >> >>> Digital Communications | Wikimedia Foundation >> >> >>> >> >> >>> E: [email protected] >> >> >>> WMF: ASherman (WMF) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Sent from a device with a small keyboard with big fingers :) >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Social-media mailing list >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Katherine Maher >> >> > Chief Communications Officer >> >> > Wikimedia Foundation >> >> > 149 New Montgomery Street >> >> > San Francisco, CA 94105 >> >> > >> >> > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 >> >> > +1 (415) 712 4873 >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Social-media mailing list >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Tilman Bayer >> >> Senior Analyst >> >> Wikimedia Foundation >> >> IRC (Freenode): HaeB >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Social-media mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Social-media mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Tilman Bayer >> Senior Analyst >> Wikimedia Foundation >> IRC (Freenode): HaeB >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Social-media mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media > > > > _______________________________________________ > Social-media mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media > -- Tilman Bayer Senior Analyst Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB _______________________________________________ Social-media mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
