They don't say how the tests were done and haven't qualified the samples,
so we don't really know if the claims mean anything at all.
Most don't.
The numbers sound like a TEM or SEM was used and maybe an actual particle
or so was "found" along with the usual confusion over the definition of
Particle in the balance.
Usually they don't find any particles at all....just preparation
artifacts with size determined mostly by how the preparation was done.
If a sample is 99% "ionic" and given the field of view of an electron
microscope...I'd expect the search for a particle to take a few days.
I don't think an electron microscope has the resolution to see an ion.
[could be wrong ?] But even if it does, at 10 PPM, finding an ion in all
that water using the required resolution to see one along with the reduced
field of view that goes with higher resolution, it could take a while to
find one.
If you reduce the volume of water to increase the odds of finding a
particle, they have this tendency to get bigger and if you remove all the
water so an electron microscope can be used at all, all of the ions oxidize
into silver oxide clumps.
Now, that takes a nice picture, but the picture bears no relationship to
what you're looking for.
"State of the art labs" State of what art? Milk? Paint? ...Cow pies?
Interesting that they say:
"Laboratory processes can be done to confirm that what is shown on the
label is actually what you're getting. Our strengths always test at or
above potency levels (parts per million)."
............but don't state the PPM at all ...on the visible portion of the
label or otherwise. [that I could see, anywhere...even in the shopping cart]
What the heck does "High Potency" mean? [ I guess if you don't put any
real info on a label, it can't be "mis-labeled" ?]
What does "can be done" mean? [How much effort does it take to modify the
product in the lab to meet the claims? ]
Ahhh, I dunno....the whole darned thing reads like pure high potency drivel.
And gee! Only $13.50 an ounce with no indication of what shipping is
till after all the hoops are jumped though. [Too much hopping for my tastes]
Watta deal.
..now that that has been brought to our detention...
############# Let's unravel this well knit bag of high protein worms a bit,
shall we? ##################
Soooo, what's the "truth" from a "silver" [colloids] lab? [That doesn't
specialize in fertilizer]
http://silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr13/cpr_13.html
It's MSP, a fact that's not on the label.
500 PPM silver.
Particle sizes
35% @ average 68.30 nm [.068 microns?]
84% @ average 6185 nm [ 6.185 microns?]
Percent Ionic: 6.3 [Now that's interesting. Why would there be *ANY* ionic
content in MSP? See below?****
Given the cost of bulk Mild Silver Protein powder and the ease of adding
water and filling a bottle.... at $13.50 an ounce, it's getting to look
like that good ole "Pharm" is, relatively speaking.... a pack of pricing
angels.
But before getting all judgmental, it would be interesting to find out what
the mark up actually is.
http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/23007/SLS1681
1000 grams MSP powder @ $1691.75 contains 200 grams silver at 20% potency.
Mixed to 500 PPM with water..... [and it does test out as 500+ PPM
"silver", not 500 PPM "MSP powder" at +/- 20% silver"
How much does it cost to make a fluid ounce?
Math people?
[School? I made very high "A"s in Algebra, very low "D"s in Arithmetic
and word problems. Language isn't very logical. Arithmetic is too darned
many niggling mind numbing decimal dropping details and made me sleepy. I
understood it, just too dopey to do it.]
**** The "kicker" section of this rant.
Invive MSP has zero ionic content.
Herbal Healer MSP has zero ionic content.
OK, what the heck is *ANY* ionic portion doing in a bottle of MSP water?
Better price: [and some more "info" ]
http://www.betterlife.com/prod_home_page.asp?prod_id=20313
Interesting possible doublespeak: [Break up the legalese]
"The best quality Colloidal Silver is produced by the True
Electro-Colloidal Process, not the chemical or grind methods. Ultra fine
particles of silver are suspended by an electrical charge in distilled
water. The force of the electrical charge is stronger than the force of
gravity, so the silver particles remain suspended. When Colloidal Silver is
improperly manufactured, the silver particles can be too large and/or have
no electrical charge, causing them to fall out of suspension and reducing
the value of the solution."
[No mention if that applies to THEIR product or not. ]
"Colloidal Silver by Innovative Natural Products® is produced by a True
Electro-Colloidal Process."
[The portion that *is* made by Innovative Natural Products is "True Electro
Colloidal", but the bulk of what's in the bottle is *pre made MSP* , bought
from a chemical supply house and *isn't* made by Innovative Natural Products. ]
**** PART of the MSP product is ionic "electro-colloidal" silver made by
Innovative Natural Products so they can make the "True Electro Colloidal"
claims ....on what they make.
How could I do that??? [Without saying that *they* did]
Make a batch of weak 6 PPM "EIS" , dump in the dust and *imply* that
it's pure EIS by failing to mention that it's mostly MSP...and it's not
legally mislabeled by the omission because both MSP and EIS fall into the
descriptive category of colloidal silver and that's how it's labeled.
Take that a few more steps and the particle size of the product that
Innovative Natural Products actually DOES make, DOES range between 0.004
and 0.107 microns. [or,might..depending on how that's determined, but
"ionic" has no "particles" to size unless a TEM/SEM sample preparation
process makes them and virtually any idiot can make virtually pure ionic
EIS at 6 PPM]
[The particle size of *our* Colloidal Silver is *this*...never mind...
*theirs* that's the bulk of what's in the bottle]
Innovative indeed!!! [naturally!]
DAYAMMM and HOOO-WEE!!!
A "Not-a-lie" isn't always the truth, is it? LOLOLOLOL
Ode
*Our greatest barrier to communication is...language.*
[So, what it that supposed to mean?]
At 09:56 PM 12/3/2006 -0500, you wrote:
I quote from this website:
http://www.anslabs.com/store/inpcs.html
"The particle size of our Colloidal Silver ranges
between 0.004 and 0.107 microns, with over 75%
measuring between 0.065 and 0.013 microns in
diameter.* This is the ideal particle size for optimum
absorption. There has also been much said about the
toxicity of silver, however, laboratory tests
performed on our silver products concluded that
"...the test article(s) would not be considered
toxic...""
Comments anyone? I didn't find .107 microns to be that
impressive.
Terry Chamberlin
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