Judith- I just found 3 gool looking hand held refractometers in a surplus lot.  
Atago N10-E Any easy guide to using them?  TJ
> 
> From: [email protected]
> Date: 2006/01/12 Thu PM 10:21:06 EST
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: CS>
> 
> 
>  I don't have an opinion on the Wallach article, since I haven't heard 
> Wallach's tapes to begin with :)  But I disagree with your comment that "My 
> opinion is that fruits and vegetables are not mineral deficient as some 
> claim, because they couldn't grow normally if they were."
> 
> You're assuming that most of our fruits and vegetables grow "normally"  But 
> is normal, healthy? The plants may be typical of how plants grow in 
> mainstream agriculture, but they're certainly not healthy.  There have been 
> repeated experiments showing that healthy plants do not get attacked by 
> insects or disease -- you can put a tomato plant that is in a pot of good 
> compost right next to a tomator plant that is infested with aphids, and the 
> aphids won't even touch the healthy tomato plant.   And there are many 
> variations of this kind of experiment.   So the fact that mainstream ag has 
> to use so many chemicals to stop pests is evidence that our food supply is 
> not healthy.
> 
> Or test produce with a refractometer -- you'll find that most produce ests 
> very low, indicating very little mineral content.
> 
> We also know from testing the soil and the forage that the animals are eating 
> that they are nutrient deficient.  There's just enough to keep the animals 
> growing, and not dying, but it's also why so many livestock have health 
> problems.  One reason is that we've killed the microorganisms in most 
> agricultural soil, and the microorganisms provide for nutrient cycling -- 
> without them, the soil's minerals are locked in a form that is not 
> plant-accessible.  When you add the biology back to the soil, the tests show 
> a dramatic increase in the nutrient content in the forage, the animals start 
> gaining weight much more rapidly, and they  have few or no health problems.
> 
> So yes, there has been a change from 50 years ago.  Before we resorted to 
> using chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and other -icides, our soil had a 
> thriving microbiology.  These organisms ensured that nutrients were held in 
> the soil (instead of leaching away) and provided to the  plants in a form 
> they could utilize.  Unhealthy plants were taken out by insects and disease, 
> so usually only the healthy ones survived to the stage that humans ate them.  
> Now, we use "emergency life support", in the form of chemicals, to  force 
> plants to grow and survive regardless of their health or nutrient status.
> 
> So just because the fruits, veggies, and animals manage to survive does not 
> make them healthy. 
>  
> Judith
> 
>  -------------- Original message from [email protected]:
>  -------------- 
> > From: [email protected]
> > 
> >>Sorry about the bad link. this will take you to the main page, then
> >>you can scoll down to the  Wallach article. It's really just a
> >>debunker art.  
>  >>My opinion is that fruits and vegetables are not mineral deficient as
> >>some claim, because they couldn't grow normally if they were.(just
> like >>"they" claim we couldn't)
>  >>Same with the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere. The planet needs a
> >>certain balance or it (existance) would all be over quickly. 
>  >>We don't have "less than we used to". 
> 


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