##  Years and years of personal experience cooking in wood fire ovens,
over wood cookstoves, camp fires and you name it...even grinding my own
grain and baking bread in a 'found' 5 gallon steel bucket imbedded in rocks
and mud.

Ode 

At 12:31 AM 12/13/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>
>That is very interesting information.  Do you have a source handy? 
>
>TIA,
>
>Jim 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ode Coyote [mailto:[email protected]] 
>Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 4:27 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: CS>Aluminum cookware
>
> Both cast aluminum and cast iron  griddles work the same way.
> They absorb oils and develop a black thick hard slick surface when
>'seasoned in' that's sometimes better than teflon. It's nearly impossible
>to dig through the seasoning layer with a steel spatula.
> A well seasoned cast aluminum or cast iron waffle iron works MUCH better
>than a teflon coated waffle iron.
> No aluminum or iron is exposed to food. None.
>
> Never clean either till it's shiny.
> Hot water is OK now and then..soap, not.
>  After that rare washing, coat with oil and heat till dry.  It'll never
>rust.
> Lots of people kept their cast in the oven.
> I've dug shiny clean and new looking waffle irons out of dumpsters because
>people threw the plates in the dishwasher to get the waffles off the iron
>because they couldn't make a waffle they could get off the iron...because
>they kept cleaning the iron.
>Neglect is the key.  Wash it as little as possible.
> Waffle stuck on?  Soak it with oil and let it burn off. The next one won't
>stick.
> They only start working well after you can hardly tell what metal it's
>made of by looking at it.
> Grandma may have worked at it for years..then you toss her prize tool into
>the dishwasher and wonder about that shotgun in her hands.
>
> Stainless is great for boiling.  Teflon is OK for slow cooking eggs and
>bacon/steak/burgers/chops and for bake ware. Teflon is almost a necessity
>for poached eggs.
>
> But gimme ole nasty black looking cast aluminum or iron for pancakes and
>waffles.  The cruddier the better.
> Ode
>
>At 11:24 PM 12/8/2005 +0800, you wrote:
>>
>>After roughly 30 yrs of warnings about the use of aluminum cookware, I
>could
>>not bring myself to use it ever again. I remember how tomatoes or any other
>>acidic food would yield a shiny pot ---before cleaning it, that is. That's
>>when I realized where all the "dirty" aluminum went-------right into the
>>spaghetti sauce!  But I'm still scratching my head over the idea that you'd
>
>>actually WANT to
>>cook with aluminum!
>>
>>
>>Rowena says: I was raised to have a horror of aluminium pots, drinking
>cups, 
>>anything.  My mother a bit ahead of her time again there.  Over sixty years
>
>>ago she knew this.  Plastic also she avoided.
>>Some twelve years ago, I was given a griddle, I suppose it would be called.
>
>>For cooking pancakes or whatever when camping.  A kind of round slab of 
>>aluminium with a folding handle.  As I have read in the past that aluminium
>
>>is fairly safe if used for cooking with FAT, I did sometimes use it to make
>
>>that sort of food.  Okay, dangerous behaviour, yup.
>>
>>When I started using virgin coconut oil, I made some pancakes on this 
>>gadget.  The coconut oil cleaned the aluminium - right onto the pancakes in
>
>>layers.  Aluminium paint, basically, I suppose.
>>
>>Threw the pancakes out, also the griddle.
>>
>>Now I use a flat SS electric frypan.  Should have used one all along.
>>
>>By the way - after years of assuming glass was the highest form of cooking 
>>receptacle, I came across a comment that after all, there turns out to be a
>
>>problem with it.  I can't remember what that problem was, and can't find
>any 
>>reference to it in a search.  But I know it was severe enough to make me 
>>feel pretty disappointed.  About something or other being released into the
>
>>food.  Ever feel you can't win, heh heh?
>>
>>Rowena 
>>
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