Hello Tony,

Yes, this could turn into a major project...

I will have to think about this before I decide if it has any real value.  I
was very pleased to see the reaction reverse, and was even more pleased to
see reverse several times.

Right now I am stuck with a solution that keeps using up the ascorbic acid,
then turns clear again.

More head scratching.

Tom


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Moody" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: CS>YO YO EIS


> OKay, !
>
> So it looks like if you add stuff to the distilled water then
> conductivity jumps. :-)
>
> I haven't got graph paper at hand but sketching that looks like a nice
> smooth curve through the ends of the jumps. Adding citric acid seems to
> increase by about 1.35 of previous citric acid jump and adding h2o2 seem
> to be about 22% of the previous citric acid jump, except the pegged data
> may be a bit cramped. It doesn't seem to go backwards like you said I
> think! !?
>
> Hmm, its all a bit hectic and interesting. Where does it stop? ( my guess
> is that it levels off at about 300 after about 6 to 8 AddAdds ; something
> like that.)  Does working with diluted reagents make a difference? Do the
> numbers change with time? ( if you keep a sample of each jump does it
> change with time?  )
>
> Thinks: To see if there is a difference I'd maybe do a bunch of runs with
> distilled water as a control and the EIS , and see if there is a
> difference between the two.  Then you'd have to do another set on each
> AddAdd,  of what happens with time. That's what we are looking for yes?
>
> Have fun,
> Tony
>
> On 18 Apr 2010 at 17:24, poast wrote about :
> Subject : Re: CS>YO YO EIS
>
> > Hello Tony,
> >
> > My distilled water starts at 0.3 uS.
> >
> > Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 80 uS.
> > Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 98 uS.
> >
> > Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 146 uS.
> > Add H2O2 and it jumps up to 161 uS.
> >
> > Add ascorbic acid and it jumps up to 191 uS.
> > Add H202 and it goes just over 200 uS.  200 uS is the upper limit of
> > my
> > meter.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Tony Moody" <[email protected]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 9:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: CS>YO YO EIS
> >
> >
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > How about do the same exercise with distilled water with respect to
> > the
> > > conductivity
> > >
> > > OK,
> > > tony
> > >
> > > On 16 Apr 2010 at 21:09, poast wrote about :
> > > Subject : CS>YO YO EIS
> > >
> > > > I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days.
> > > >
> > > > I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15
> > uS.
> > > >
> > > > I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid.  The solution turned
> > amber
> > > > brown, then went to grey.  However, when I held it up to sunlight,
> > it
> > > > was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey.
> > > >
> > > > I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything,
> > but
> > > > the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect.
> > > > Conductivity is up to 25 uS.
> > > >
> > > > I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with
> > a
> > > > grey solution.
> > > >
> > > > Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up.  At this point
> > the
> > > > conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS.
> > > >
> > > > Once again I add some ascorbic acid.  This time there wasn't much of
> > a
> > > > reaction.  I added a little more, and after some time the solution
> > > > turned to a light grey.
> > > >
> > > > Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again.  Conductivity
> > is
> > > > now up to 115 uS.
> > > >
> > > > Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened.  Added more and
> > finally
> > > > the reaction started.  Let it sit for a few hours, and once again
> > the
> > > > solution is slightly grey.
> > > >
> > > > Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again.  Conductivity
> > is up
> > > > to 185 uS.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Questions...
> > > >
> > > > What is going on?
> > > >
> > > > Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something?
> > > >
> > > > Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the
> > ascorbic
> > > > acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration?
> > > >
> > > > Is this similar to what goes on inside the body?
> > > >
> > > > Is this of any use to anyone?
> > > >
> > > > It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value.  I have
> > to
> > > > confess that I am having too much fun.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > >
> > >
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