Dee wrote: 
>to me, dead is DEAD!  Finito, nothing, no more<
 
Well, how am I, who started this topic, going to remain in the middle of the 
road now?
 
See .. it is hard to believe that we are here just here now, for a few years, 
we work, we do our best, we serve our neighbors - and then we go to a dark, 
cold place without sound and light and emotions.
We are told by mainstream religion that we should not meddle in the 
‘afterlife’. Of course we should not .. the mission of the souls who are 
physically ‘dead’ is accomplished, and they should be left in peace.
 
Yet: there are far too many hints, dreams, philosophies, messages and ‘proofs’ 
that there is ‘something’ after this life-under-the-moon as we say in Dutch. (I 
am NOT a spiritist!)
 
> Much better to make the best of life on earth with all its abounding marvels 
> < 
Of course we should – indeed we MUST! Indeed, we are here to serve. There is 
far too much service to be done, to go on ‘..living [is] easy with eyes 
closed..’ as John and Paul Beatle once wrote. And don’t give me that of 
‘..suffering and poverty on earth .. go through it, for beyond you will be well 
rewarded.. please. That’s mainstream religion keeping you and me and all who 
want to go on believing it in slavery. Not God, not Jesus Christ, not Muhammad, 
not even Gautama Buddha meant it that way.
 
God is Love? A loving God does not punish. The problems and sufferings we go 
through ‘here’ were not caused by God .. they are of our own making. We want to 
go on making mistakes, due to our innocence? Equally we go on suffering. BUT: 
If we wake up (and this era, which we are lucky to live in, is one of waking up 
for the souls who want to progress) and go repairing –un-doing– what we did 
‘wrong’ in our innumerable sojourns on earth, only then we’ll rapidly undo 
ourselves of further suffering, and in time we will be happy. Service to our 
Brothers out-there is one of the answers. (Not living in a cave and meditating 
in isolation; that time has gone by.)
 
> than to hope there is something better beyond<
It is not a matter of ‘hope’. If it were, then it is based on fear, which is 
fed by ignorance (and by many of the church fathers.) It is a matter of 
‘knowing’, of research, of study and of finding one’s way through the maze of 
philosophies our lives are abound with. All of these philosophies are equally 
good .. if ye learn to look at the fruits their members bare, and not at their 
appearance. 
 
Dead is not DEAD .. 
but it takes a bit of time and devotion to delve into the matter.
 
FaithStFrancis,
 
Free Thinker. (as was my great Dutch example Desiderius Erasmus), after a long 
and ofttimes difficult search for what, by lack of a better word, was coined 
‘Truth’.
 
“..to Faith … add Knowledge..” –Ronald Beesley, founder of White Lodge, 
South-England–
 
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