Thanks Wayne!
This was the one.
The answer to David's question would be maybe 30 to 60 ppm
or more at 27 volts in the water I tested... However, I
would recommend only using 9 volts for this type of
situation. Also, electrode spacing makes a difference. No
need to add salt.
Dan
Wayne Fugitt wrote:
Dan,
This looks like the one you mentioned.
Wayne
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At 05:47 PM 11/15/2005, you wrote:
I did some experiments using two different kinds of tap water, one
from St. Paul city water which I drink and which has a average amount
of hardness for city water and Plymouth city water which is so hard I
won't even use it to make tea because it turns black and has foamy
scum floating on top...
I put two clean copper wires in a styrofoam cup and attached them to a
power supply with an ammeter in series. Then I filled the cup with
the water. The distance between the electrodes was about 3" at the
side of the cup but (est.) 1.5" near the bottom. Also tried it with
the wires about .75" apart, similar to a 9V battery terminal spacing.
St. Paul water current was 5ma at 3" at 9V.
St. Paul water current was 8ma at .75" at 9V.
St. Paul water current was 20ma at 3" at 30V.
Plymouth water current was 10.6ma at 3" at 9V.
Plymouth water current was 15ma at .75" at 9V.
Plymouth water current was 43ma at 3" at 30V.
Using the rule of thumb we would have .28ppm at 1ma for 1 minute in 1
cup of water.
Therefore, for the above samples, assuming a 1 minute dwell time of
the electrodes in the water, we would get the following equivalent
concentrations of CS or silver compounds...
St. Paul water current was 5ma at 3" at 9V. (1.4ppm)
St. Paul water current was 8ma at .75" at 9V. (2.24ppm)
St. Paul water current was 20ma at 3" at 30V. (5.6ppm)
Plymouth water current was 10.6ma at 3" at 9V. (3.0ppm)
Plymouth water current was 15ma at .75" at 9V. (4.2ppm)
Plymouth water current was 43ma at 3" at 30V. (12.0ppm)
These values are not excessive, although they are probably silver
compounds rather than the EIS that we make with distilled water.
However, I don't see any reason to use more than 9V for this type of
unregulated system used with non-distilled water. (Higher voltages
only make sense when using water with lower conduction
characteristics, and also when using some type of current limiting.)
I would appreciate some comments...
Dan
Subject: CS>Re: CS Maker for Emergencies
From: Dan Nave <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:34:29 -0600
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Using my "Rule of Thumb for CS Calculations" we know that you can get
about a maximum of 17ppm of silver in 1 cup of water at 1ma for 1 hour.
That is, 17ppm max in an hour (under these conditions). I assume that
there is sufficient conduction to reach saturation at 1ma immediately.
17ppm divided by 60minutes = .28ppm per minute (approximately)
.28ppm per minute times 3 minutes = .84ppm (approx)
.28ppm per minute times 5 minutes = 1.4ppm (approx)
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