--On 5 September 2007 22:13:06 -0500 Dan Nave <[email protected]> wrote:
Yes, you have to indoctrinate your children if you want them to act the
same way you do...
Dan
Not buying meat and feeding it to my children is indoctrination?
No Dan. I have to feed them or they die. I have to buy the meat or not and
put it on the table. I don't because I am a vegetarian. That's my
practice. It's one or the other.
Children copy their parents usually, it's not hard to get them to practice
what you do. That's their whole business. My son want to eat chillis at two
years old. He tries to lick the cap, but not get much on his tongue. He did
once, and had to check himself, he was brave. Now he has a teeny weeny bit,
and is pleased.
Don't you think I have to answer their questions when they ask them, and
faithfully?
It's obvious you don't have children, because to teach them anything, may
be said to be indoctrination: they want answers. Indoctrination means what,
in spite of bad connotations?
Well a doctrine has many parts, concerning teaching from a department of
knowledge, like science or religion. I don't think vegetarianism is a
doctrine at all. It's a practice to eat plants only and perhaps milk. It
is not a teaching. It is associated with beliefs which may be part of a
doctrine, like the Vedas. Animals don't have doctrines, don't get
indoctrinated, but humans do. It is called learning from a body of
knowledge which is laid down. We are all indoctrinated. Are you saying I
should abandon my parental indoctrination to the career schoolteacher and
her masters?
I say I believe it is healthier to eat only vegetables and fruits and milk
products. That's not a doctrine.
It's a belief. You can dispute it, but it may be true. There is good
evidence to it. Of course there are contingencies, like the sources of your
food and, with what consciousness you eat, for example pig consciousness,
tramp at the dustbin consciousness, obey the neon signs consciousness...act
on impulse-consciousness.
But I am indoctrinating them into the vedas, because I am after all a
Indian.
Then there's the moral and life teachings, so we say we are spirit souls
and so are animals. The souls departs the suit at death. Well, you may say
we are our bodies, matter, and matter begets matter and matter begets
life.Then we say that's barely intelligent. We also say: prove it. They say
oh that's round the corner, one day we'll create life in our test tubes!
We say that's a cheating argument. The same people who don't acknowledge
life. By their definitions, a robot could be alive, except for one thing,
they don't die!
Makes no difference if you call it 'scientific' materialism and pay a whole
load of lecturers and scientists to run an economy of technological
electronic warfare and, re-constituted food with labels of chemical
constituents.
SO what's wrong with indoctrination? The one that is not founded in truth.
The idea that we can arrive at truth through counting (scientific
materialism), or by what our masters tell us to believe, is rather weird,
don't you think? Inductive scientists who stray into philosophy (asserting
about anything) talk like fools. Their snapshots of the body when applied
as scientific, require interpretation none of which hold in the big
picture, as so often in medicine. We meddle and make things worse. Paradigm
shifts is no excuse, because that supposes we are improving in knowledge,
rather than going round in circles, or more likely, getting more bogged
down in suffering from fighting nature in trying to master it.
It's a hallmark of those slaves to the system , that without appraising the
actual doctrine, everything else is called 'indoctrination' as if
indoctrination is bad, or isn't happening to them. SO we say, well they
are unaware, and unable to appraise their own doctrine, which is no
teaching or doctrine at all , but false dogma, brainwashing.
So you see, the problem with scientific materialists, is they are stupid
and, with false pride, unable to reason (and resort to counting), a deadly
combination. So they say proof is in counting or with the eyes or the
instruments of the eyes. But this world is dark, and we can see nothing
without the eye of the self-luminous sun. SO why rely on the eyes?
Regards,
John.
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