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Frank Pohlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Frank Pohlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- Indrajit Gupta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> No, Frank, that is not the point. Battlefield
> evidence is the point. It is pitifully scant. Cities
> are a different matter.
Err, no, Indrajit:) I was talking about cities and
towns that were overrun by marauding hordes:) Battle
fields are not really a great source of artefacts. Sea
battles, though, tend to be more relevant.
Which to some extent applies to India as well,
although, as you point out, Harappa does not seem to
have been affected much.
-Frank
>
> Incidentally, I am not aware of any evidence from
> any of the Harappan cities of violence or violent
> acts having occurred. That doesn't mean they didn't;
> just that there is no evidence. So there is some
> doubt in certain circles about the vicious barbarian
> horsemen over-running the cities of the plain, with
> attendant rapine and murder.
>
> There is not much left of ancient battlefields; it
> isn't the same case with ancient cities.
>
> Frank Pohlmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> --- Indrajit Gupta wrote:
>
> > We are talking about a period which ranged roughly
> > between 1500 BC to 400/500 BC. What kind of
> detritus
> > did you expect to see left behind? Any examples
> from
> > other geographies/locations?
>
> Yes, Troy is not a bad example of a place that was
> conquered and destroyed a few times, The Middle East
> is full of such ruins.
>
> >
> > Split skulls? Wouldn't they be fine powder by
> today?
>
> Not necessarily, depending how they have been
> preserved.
> > Coastal ports, fortified cities etc - could
> probably
> > be related to the
> > phoenicians, who were anyway regularly sailing
> these
> > coasts
>
> How's the state of the art re the Phoenicians
> anyway?
> Anyone has any websites or book titles I could take
> a
> look at?
>
> > that can disprove a right winger theory. If you
> have
> > any contemporary,
> > and balanced studies you can point me to, that'd
> be
> > great.
>
> I dug out a Finnish scholar a while ago, but his
> name
> escapes me right now. he was not balanced, strictly
> speaking, but he gave all sides their due.
>
> > > rather insalubrious imitators in the Middle
> East,
> > > China and India.
> >
> > The aryans did appear to retain their love of
> > cavalry / chariot troops
> > and conquest, stuff like the "ashwamedha" that
> most
> > emperors seemed to
> > have performed, where they'd let a horse loose and
> > send an army behind
> > it .. wherever the horse goes, they try to attack
> > that kingdom and claim
> > it for their emperor.
>
> The story seems common between the Bosporus and
> Northern India and is usually related to
> IndoEuropean
> invaders (not nec. Aryans, whoever they might have
> been).
>
> > So .. well, the conquest theory could well have
> been
> > valid. Only there's
> > not too much sign of the usual detritus a battle
> > leaves behind - spear /
> > arrow heads, swords, split skulls etc.
> >
> > Virus, drought or something similar followed by a
> > largescale exodus out
> > of the area could well cause it.
>
> Are there any records of plagues etc. in the Indian
> record before the Muslim invasions?
>
> -Frank
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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