On Sun, 2 Aug 2026, 22:28 Jeroen Massar, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 2 Aug 2026, at 16:51, denis walker <[email protected]> wrote: > > [..] > > As things stand there is no accountability, no penalty. It's either full > closure or untouchable. We need a rethink and a reset. This is what I am > working on.... > > Reverse DNS is needed to spam properly. > IRR / RPKI / ASPA is needed to route (though RPKI/ASPA becomes 'unknown' > which is the majority of prefixes today) > > So yes, if a RIR does not delegate then a prefix becomes a lot less > useable. >
Can this be done using a commercial routing registry like RADb? > Thus marking a LIR as 'under investigation' or similar and then at > non-response closing it can be a means to stop the abuse. > But we are back to the closure option. As I said, closure or untouchable. If the registry has thousands of legitimate business customers is the RIPE NCC going to close it? > But, it becomes really tricky if an LIR is saying one thing and a pile of > others are saying another (they did abuse etc) > > And I do not think RIRs have the resources (unless membership fees go > insane) to resolve that. > > Even if a RIR gives out an 'advise' that the resources are 'tainted' or > 'likely abuse' a legal proceeding can cause a whole lot of problems for the > RIR. > By the time that advise goes out on a particular set of numbers, they probably aren't connected with the abuser any more. Cheers Denis > > Same for blacklists of course, as the folks from the original MAPS and > nowadays Spamhaus and similar setups can attest to, the legal issues are > the biggest problem there. (and for some on the wrong side, people claim > that the *good* people from Spamhaus do not respond to the delisting > requests etc... ) > > Regards, > Jeroen > > >
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