[zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Tiernan OToole
Morning all... I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB drives, but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and so far everything is going ok... I have the 2 drives as standard data stores... But i am paranoid... So, i installed Nexenta as a VM, g

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 11/07/2012 12:39 PM, Tiernan OToole wrote: > Morning all... > > I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB > drives, but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and > so far everything is going ok... I have the 2 drives as standard data > stores..

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 12:58:04PM +0100, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: > On 11/07/2012 12:39 PM, Tiernan OToole wrote: > > Morning all... > > > > I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB > > drives, but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and > > so fa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 11/07/2012 01:16 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > I'm very interested, as I'm currently working on an all-in-one with > ESXi (using N40L for prototype and zfs send target, and a Supermicro > ESXi box for production with guests, all booted from USB internally > and zfs snapshot/send source). Well, seein

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Tiernan OToole
Thanks Eugen. yea, i am with Hetzner, but no hardware passthough... As for ESXi, i am happy with it, but its not booting from USB... its using the disk to boot from... I am thinking of using a USB key to boot from though... just need to figure out how to remotely do this and if i should... Thanks

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 01:33:41PM +0100, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: > On 11/07/2012 01:16 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > I'm very interested, as I'm currently working on an all-in-one with > > ESXi (using N40L for prototype and zfs send target, and a Supermicro > > ESXi box for production with guests, all b

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole > > I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB > drives, > but only software RAID. I have got them to install VMWare ESXi and so far > everything is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/7/2012 10:02 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: I formerly did exactly the same thing. Of course performance is abysmal because you're booting a guest VM to share storage back to the host where the actual VM's run. Not to mention, there's the startup de

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edmund White
Same thing here. With the right setup, an all-in-one system based on VMWare can be very solid and perform well. I've documented my process here: http://serverfault.com/a/398579/13325 But I'm surprised at the negative comments about VMWare in this context. I can't see how Virtual Box would run bett

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 11/7/2012 10:53 AM, Edmund White wrote: Same thing here. With the right setup, an all-in-one system based on VMWare can be very solid and perform well. I've documented my process here: http://serverfault.com/a/398579/13325 But I'm surprised at the negative comments about VMWare in this contex

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-11-07 16:02, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole I have a Dedicated server in a data center in Germany, and it has 2 3TB drives, but only softwa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Dan Swartzendruber [mailto:dswa...@druber.com] > > I'm curious here. Your experience is 180 degrees opposite from mine. I > run an all in one in production and I get native disk performance, and > ESXi virtual disk I/O is faster than with a physical SAN/NAS for the NFS > datastore, since

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedicated server running ESXi with no RAID card, ZFS for storage?

2012-11-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) > > Stuff like that. I could go on, but it basically comes down to: With > openindiana, you can do a lot more than you can with ESXi. Because it's a > complete OS. You simply have more freedom, better performance, less > mainten