Re: [zfs-discuss] Identifying drives

2010-04-26 Thread Peter Tribble
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Dave Pooser wrote: > I have one storage server with 24 drives, spread across three controllers > and split into three RAIDz2 pools. Unfortunately, I have no idea which bay > holds which drive. Fortunately, this server is used for secondary storage so > I can take i

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re-attaching zpools after machine termination [amazon ebs & ec2]

2010-04-26 Thread Phillip Oldham
> Then perhaps you should do zpool import -R / pool > *after* you attach EBS. > That way Solaris won't automatically try to import > the pool and your > scripts will do it once disks are available. zpool import doesn't work as there was no previous export. I'm trying to solve the case where the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication ratio on Server 2008 backup VHD files

2010-04-26 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi Tim, thanks for sharing your dedup experience. Especially for Virtualization, having a good pool of experience will help a lot of people. So you see a dedup ratio of 1.29 for two installations of Windows Server 2008 on the same ZFS backing store, if I understand you correctly. What dedup rat

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re-attaching zpools after machine termination [amazon ebs & ec2]

2010-04-26 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 26/04/2010 09:27, Phillip Oldham wrote: Then perhaps you should do zpool import -R / pool *after* you attach EBS. That way Solaris won't automatically try to import the pool and your scripts will do it once disks are available. zpool import doesn't work as there was no previous export.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris 10 and ZFS dedupe status

2010-04-26 Thread Neil Simpson
> > On Jan 5, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Bob > Friesenhahn wrote: class="Apple-interchange-newline"> type="cite">On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Tony Russell > wrote:I am under the > impression that dedupe is still only in OpenSolaris > and that support for dedupe is limited or non > existent.  Is this true?  I would

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re-attaching zpools after machine termination [amazon ebs & ec2]

2010-04-26 Thread Phillip Oldham
> You don't have to do exports as I suggested to use > 'zpool -R / pool' > (notice -R). I tried this after your suggestion (including the -R switch) but it failed, saying the pool I was trying to import didn't exist. > If you do so that a pool won't be added to > zpool.cache and therefore > af

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- "Dave Pooser" skrev: > I'm building another 24-bay rackmount storage server, and I'm > considering > what drives to put in the bays. My chassis is a Supermicro SC846A, so > the > backplane supports SAS or SATA; my controllers are LSI3081E, again > supporting SAS or SATA. > > Looking at dri

[zfs-discuss] How to delegate zfs snapshot destroy to users?

2010-04-26 Thread Vladimir Marek
Hi, I'm trying to let zfs users to create and destroy snapshots in their zfs filesystems. So rpool/vm has the permissions: osol137 19:07 ~: zfs allow rpool/vm Permissions on rpool/vm - Permission sets: @virtual clone,create,destroy,mount,prom

Re: [zfs-discuss] Making ZFS better: zfshistory

2010-04-26 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:12 PM > > > E did exist. Inode 12345 existed, but it had a different name at the > time > > OK, I'll believe you. > > How about this? > > mv a/E/c a/c > mv a/E a/c > mv a/c a/E The thin

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Pool, what happen when disk failure

2010-04-26 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Ian Collins [mailto:i...@ianshome.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 5:09 PM > To: Edward Ned Harvey > Cc: 'Robert Milkowski'; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Pool, what happen when disk failure > > On 04/26/10 12:08 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > [why do y

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dave Pooser > > (lots of small writes/reads), how much benefit will I see from the SAS > interface? In some cases, SAS outperforms SATA. I don't know what circumstances those are. I think th

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on drives for ZIL/L2ARC?

2010-04-26 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Travis Tabbal > > I have a few old drives here that I thought might help me a little, > though not at much as a nice SSD, for those uses. I'd like to speed up > NFS writes, and there have been

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on drives for ZIL/L2ARC?

2010-04-26 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Travis Tabbal Oh, one more thing. Your subject says "ZIL/L2ARC" and your message says "I want to speed up NFS writes." ZIL (log) is used for writes. L2ARC (cache) is used for reads. I'd reco

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk > > About SAS vs SATA, I'd guess you won't be able to see any change at > all. The bottleneck is the drives, not the interface to them. That doesn't agree with my understa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re-attaching zpools after machine termination [amazon ebs & ec2]

2010-04-26 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 26/04/2010 11:14, Phillip Oldham wrote: You don't have to do exports as I suggested to use 'zpool -R / pool' (notice -R). I tried this after your suggestion (including the -R switch) but it failed, saying the pool I was trying to import didn't exist. which means it couldn't discov

Re: [zfs-discuss] Expand zpool capacity

2010-04-26 Thread Vladimir L.
It's a litle while ago, but i've found a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpzsSptzmyA";>pretty helpful video on YT how to completely "migrate" from one harddrive to another. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-disc

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on drives for ZIL/L2ARC?

2010-04-26 Thread Travis Tabbal
> If your clients are mounting "async" don't bother. > If the clients are > ounting async, then all the writes are done > asynchronously, fully > accelerated, and never any data written to ZIL log. I've tried async, things run well until you get to the end of the job, then the process hangs unt

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on drives for ZIL/L2ARC?

2010-04-26 Thread Travis Tabbal
> > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org > [mailto:zfs-discuss- > > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Travis Tabbal > > Oh, one more thing. Your subject says "ZIL/L2ARC" > and your message says "I > want to speed up NFS writes." > > ZIL (log) is used for writes. > L2ARC (cache) is used

Re: [zfs-discuss] Making ZFS better: zfshistory

2010-04-26 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 26, 2010, at 5:02 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:12 PM >> >>> E did exist. Inode 12345 existed, but it had a different name at the >> time >> >> OK, I'll believe you. >> >> How about this? >> >>

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 25, 2010, at 10:02 PM, Dave Pooser wrote: > I'm building another 24-bay rackmount storage server, and I'm considering > what drives to put in the bays. My chassis is a Supermicro SC846A, so the > backplane supports SAS or SATA; my controllers are LSI3081E, again > supporting SAS or SATA. >

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication ratio on Server 2008 backup VHD files

2010-04-26 Thread tim Kries
Hi, The setting was this: Fresh installation of 2008 R2 -> server backup with the backup feature -> move vhd to zfs -> install active directory role -> backup again -> move vhd to same share I am kinda confused over the change of dedup ratio from changing the record size, since it should ded

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to delegate zfs snapshot destroy to users?

2010-04-26 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Vlad, The create-time permissions do not provide the correct permissions for destroying descendent datasets, such as clones. See example 9-5 in this section that describes how to use zfs allow -d option to grant permissions on descendent datasets: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461/ge

Re: [zfs-discuss] Identifying drives

2010-04-26 Thread Richard Elling
luxadm(1m) has a led_blink subcommand you might find useful. -- richard On Apr 25, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Dave Pooser wrote: > I have one storage server with 24 drives, spread across three controllers > and split into three RAIDz2 pools. Unfortunately, I have no idea which bay > holds which drive. F

Re: [zfs-discuss] Expand zpool capacity

2010-04-26 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Yes, it is helpful in that it reviews all the steps needed to get the replacement disk labeled properly for a root pool and is identical to what we provide in the ZFS docs. The part that is not quite accurate is the reasons for having to relabel the replacement disk with the format utility. If

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread Chris Du
SAS: full duplex SATA: half duplex SAS: dual port SATA: single port (some enterprise SATA has dual port) SAS: 2 active channel - 2 concurrent write, or 2 read, or 1 write and 1 read SATA: 1 active channel - 1 read or 1 write SAS: Full error detection and recovery on both read and write SATA: err

Re: [zfs-discuss] Help:Is zfs-fuse's performance is not good

2010-04-26 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- "Tonmaus" skrev: > I wonder if this is the right place to ask, as the Filesystem in User > Space implementation is a separate project. In Solaris ZFS runs in > kernel. FUSE implementations are slow, no doubt. Same goes for other > FUSE implementations, such as for NTFS. The classic answers

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread Brandon High
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Dave Pooser wrote: > Assuming I'm going to be using three 8-drive RAIDz2 configurations, and > further assuming this server will be used for backing up home directories > (lots of small writes/reads), how much benefit will I see from the SAS > interface? SAS driv

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- "Brandon High" skrev: > SAS drives are generally intended to be used in a multi-drive / RAID > environment, and are delivered with TLER / CCTL / ERC enabled to > prevent them from falling out of arrays when they hit a read error. > > SAS drives will generally have a longer warranty than de

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris 10 and ZFS dedupe status

2010-04-26 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- "Neil Simpson" skrev: > I'm pretty sure Solaris 10 update 9 will have zpool version 22 so WILL > have dedup. Interesting - from where do you have this information? roy ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolar

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread Dave Pooser
On 4/26/10 10:10 AM, "Richard Elling" wrote: > SAS shines with multiple connections to one or more hosts. Hence, SAS > is quite popular when implementing HA clusters. So that would be how one builds something like the active/active controller failover in standalone RAID boxes. Is there a good r

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: SAS drives will generally have a longer warranty than desktop drives. With 2TB drives priced at €150 or lower, I somehow think paying for drive lifetime is far more expensive than getting a few more drives and add redundancy This really depe

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication ratio on Server 2008 backup VHD files

2010-04-26 Thread tim Kries
I found the VHD specification here: http://download.microsoft.com/download/f/f/e/ffef50a5-07dd-4cf8-aaa3-442c0673a029/Virtual%20Hard%20Disk%20Format%20Spec_10_18_06.doc I am not sure if i understand it right, but it seems like data on disk gets "compressed" into the vhd (no empty space), so even

Re: [zfs-discuss] Help:Is zfs-fuse's performance is not good

2010-04-26 Thread Brandon High
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > The zfs fuse project will give you most of the nice zfs stuff, but it > probably won't give you the same performance. I don't think opensolaris has > been compared to FUSE ZFS, but it might be interesting to see that. AFAIK zfs-fus

Re: [zfs-discuss] Making ZFS better: zfshistory

2010-04-26 Thread Ragnar Sundblad
On 25 apr 2010, at 20.12, Richard Elling wrote: > On Apr 25, 2010, at 5:45 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > >>> From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 7:42 PM >>> >>> Next, >>> mv /a/e /a/E >>> ls -l a/e/.snapshot/snaptime >>> >>> ENOENT

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to delegate zfs snapshot destroy to users?

2010-04-26 Thread Vladimir Marek
Hi Cindy, > The create-time permissions do not provide the correct permissions for > destroying descendent datasets, such as clones. > > See example 9-5 in this section that describes how to use zfs allow -d > option to grant permissions on descendent datasets: > > http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/d

Re: [zfs-discuss] Making an rpool smaller?

2010-04-26 Thread Brandon High
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Brandon High wrote: > When I set up my opensolaris system at home, I just grabbed a 160 GB > drive that I had sitting around to use for the rpool. Just to follow up, after testing in Virtualbox, my initial plan is very close to what worked. This is what I did: 1.

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
> This really depends on if you are willing to pay in advance, or pay > after the failure. Even with redundancy, the cost of a failure may be > > high due to loss of array performance and system administration time. > > Array performance may go into the toilet during resilvers, depending > on

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread Gary Mills
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 01:32:33PM -0500, Dave Pooser wrote: > On 4/26/10 10:10 AM, "Richard Elling" wrote: > > > SAS shines with multiple connections to one or more hosts. Hence, SAS > > is quite popular when implementing HA clusters. > > So that would be how one builds something like the acti

[zfs-discuss] Spare in use althought disk is healthy ?

2010-04-26 Thread Lutz Schumann
Hello list, a pool shows some strange status: volume: zfs01vol state: ONLINE scrub: scrub completed after 1h21m with 0 errors on Sat Apr 24 04:22:38 2010 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM zfs01vol ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror ONLINE

Re: [zfs-discuss] Spare in use althought disk is healthy ?

2010-04-26 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/27/10 09:41 AM, Lutz Schumann wrote: Hello list, a pool shows some strange status: volume: zfs01vol state: ONLINE scrub: scrub completed after 1h21m with 0 errors on Sat Apr 24 04:22:38 mirror ONLINE 0 0 0 c2t12d0ONLINE 0

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk > > With 2TB drives priced at €150 or lower, I somehow think paying for > drive lifetime is far more expensive than getting a few more drives and > add redundancy If you h

Re: [zfs-discuss] Spare in use althought disk is healthy ?

2010-04-26 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Lutz, You can try the following commands to see what happened: 1. Someone else replaced the disk with a spare, which would be recorded in this command: # zpool history -l zfs01vol 2. If the disk had some transient outage then maybe the spare kicked in. Use the following command to see if so

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disk/Partition replacement - do partition begin/end/offsets matter?

2010-04-26 Thread devsk
I went through with it and it worked fine. So, I could successfully move my ZFS device to the beginning of the new disk. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mai

Re: [zfs-discuss] Data movement across filesystems within a pool

2010-04-26 Thread devsk
Could this be a future enhancement for ZFS? Like provide 'zfs move fs1/ fs2/', which will do the needful without really copying anything? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.op

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS deduplication ratio on Server 2008 backup VHD files

2010-04-26 Thread Brandon High
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:51 AM, tim Kries wrote: > I am kinda confused over the change of dedup ratio from changing the record > size, since it should dedup 256-bit blocks. Dedup works on the blocks or either recordsize or volblocksize. The checksum is made per block written, and those checksum

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on drives for ZIL/L2ARC?

2010-04-26 Thread Brandon High
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Travis Tabbal wrote: > At the end of my OP I mentioned that I was interested in L2ARC for dedupe. It > sounds like the DDT can get bigger than RAM and slow things to a crawl. Not > that I expect a lot from using an HDD for that, but I thought it might help. > I'

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread James C. McPherson
On 26/04/10 03:02 PM, Dave Pooser wrote: I'm building another 24-bay rackmount storage server, and I'm considering what drives to put in the bays. My chassis is a Supermicro SC846A, so the backplane supports SAS or SATA; my controllers are LSI3081E, again supporting SAS or SATA. Looking at drive

[zfs-discuss] rpool on ssd. endurance question.

2010-04-26 Thread Yuri Vorobyev
Hello. If anybody uses SSD for rpool more than half-year, can you post SMART information about HostWrites attribute? I want to see how SSD wear for system disk purposes. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolari

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS vs SATA: Same size, same speed, why SAS?

2010-04-26 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:02:42AM -0700, Chris Du wrote: > SAS: full duplex > SATA: half duplex > > SAS: dual port > SATA: single port (some enterprise SATA has dual port) > > SAS: 2 active channel - 2 concurrent write, or 2 read, or 1 write and 1 read > SATA: 1 active channel - 1 read or 1 writ

Re: [zfs-discuss] rpool on ssd. endurance question.

2010-04-26 Thread Paul Gress
On 04/26/10 11:54 PM, Yuri Vorobyev wrote: Hello. If anybody uses SSD for rpool more than half-year, can you post SMART information about HostWrites attribute? I want to see how SSD wear for system disk purposes. I'd be happy to, exactly what commands shall I run? Paul ___