Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS needs a viable backup mechanism

2006-07-25 Thread Craig Morgan
Spare a thought also for the remote serviceability aspects of these systems, if customers raise calls/escalations against such systems then our remote support/solution centre staff would find such an output useful in identifying and verifying the config. I'm don't have visibility of the Exp

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID & ZFS

2006-07-25 Thread Mark Danico
Karen, This looks like you were using the internal raid on a T2000, is that right? If so is it possible that you did not re-label the drives after you deleted the volume? After deleting a raid volume using the onboard controller you must relabel the affected drives. The 1064 controller utilizes

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS components for a minimal Solaris 10 U2 install?

2006-07-25 Thread Jim Connors
Included below is a a thread which dealt with trying to find the packages necessary for a minimal Solais 10 U2 install with ZFS functionality. In addition to SUNWzfskr, SUNzfsr and SUNWzfsu the SUNWsmapi package needs to be installed. The libdiskmgt.so.1 library is required for the zpool(1M

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS components for a minimal Solaris 10 U2 install?

2006-07-25 Thread Jason Schroeder
No arguement from me. For better or for worse, most of the customers I speak with minimize their OS distributions. The more we can accurately describe dependencies within our current methods, the better. /jason Jim Connors wrote: Included below is a a thread which dealt with trying to fi

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS components for a minimal Solaris 10 U2 install?

2006-07-25 Thread Eric Schrock
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 10:25:04AM -0400, Jim Connors wrote: > > Included below is a a thread which dealt with trying to find the > packages necessary for a minimal Solais 10 U2 install with ZFS > functionality. In addition to SUNWzfskr, SUNzfsr and SUNWzfsu the > SUNWsmapi package needs to be

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS needs a viable backup mechanism

2006-07-25 Thread Richard Elling
Craig Morgan wrote: Spare a thought also for the remote serviceability aspects of these systems, if customers raise calls/escalations against such systems then our remote support/solution centre staff would find such an output useful in identifying and verifying the config. I'm don't have vis

[zfs-discuss] ZFS state between reboots for RAM rsident OS?

2006-07-25 Thread Jim Connors
Guys, Thanks for the help so far, now comes the more interesting questions ... Piggybacking off of some work being done to minimize Solaris for embedded use, I have a version of Solaris 10 U2 with ZFS functionality with a disk footprint of about 60MB. Creating a miniroot based upon this im

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS state between reboots for RAM rsident OS?

2006-07-25 Thread Eric Schrock
You need the following file: /etc/zfs/zpool.cache This file 'knows' about all the pools on the system. These pools can typically be discovered via 'zpool import', but we can't do this at boot because: a. It can be really, really expensive (tasting every disk on the system) b. Pools can

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS state between reboots for RAM rsident OS?

2006-07-25 Thread Jim Connors
I understand. Thanks. Just curious, ZFS manages NFS shares. Have you given any thought to what might be involved for ZFS to manage SMB shares in the same manner. This all goes towards my "stateless OS" theme. -- Jim C Eric Schrock wrote: You need the following file: /etc/zfs/z

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS state between reboots for RAM rsident OS?

2006-07-25 Thread Eric Schrock
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 01:07:59PM -0400, Jim Connors wrote: > > I understand. Thanks. > > Just curious, ZFS manages NFS shares. Have you given any thought to > what might be involved for ZFS to manage SMB shares in the same manner. > This all goes towards my "stateless OS" theme. Yep, this

[zfs-discuss] ON build on Blade 1500 ATA disk extremely slow

2006-07-25 Thread Rainer Orth
I've recently started doing ON nightly builds on zfs filesystems on the internal ATA disk of a Blade 1500 running snv_42. Unfortunately, the builds are extremely slow compared to building on an external IEEE 1394 disk attached to the same machine: ATA disk: Elapsed build time (DEBUG)

[zfs-discuss] Re: Quotas and Snapshots

2006-07-25 Thread Brad Plecs
I've run into this myself. (I am in a university setting). after reading bug ID 6431277 (URL below for noobs like myself who didn't know what "see 6431277" meant): http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6431277 ...it's not clear to me how this will be resolved. What I'd r

Re: [zfs-discuss] ON build on Blade 1500 ATA disk extremely slow

2006-07-25 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 13:45, Rainer Orth wrote: > At other times, the kernel time can be even as high as 80%. Unfortunately, > I've not been able to investigate how usec_delay is called since there's no > fbt provider for that function (nor for the alternative entry point > drv_usecwait found in u

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS state between reboots for RAM rsident OS?

2006-07-25 Thread Jim Connors
Eric Schrock wrote: You need the following file: /etc/zfs/zpool.cache So as a workaround (or more appropriately, a kludge) would it be possible to: 1. At boot time do a 'zpool import' of some pool guaranteed to exist. For the sake of this discussion call it 'system' 2. Have /

Re: [zfs-discuss] ON build on Blade 1500 ATA disk extremely slow

2006-07-25 Thread Rainer Orth
Bill, > In the future, you can try: > > # lockstat -s 10 -I sleep 10 > > which aggregates on the full stack trace, not just the caller, during > profiling interrupts. (-s 10 sets the stack depth; tweak up or down to > taste). nice. Perhaps lockstat(1M) should be updated to include something l

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Quotas and Snapshots

2006-07-25 Thread Al Hopper
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Brad Plecs wrote: > I've run into this myself. (I am in a university setting). after reading > bug ID 6431277 (URL below for noobs like myself who didn't know what "see > 6431277" meant): > > http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6431277 > > ...it's no

[zfs-discuss] somewhat OT: inexpensive 64-bit CPUs for ZFS

2006-07-25 Thread Al Hopper
A couple of weeks ago, there was a discussion on the best system for ZFS and I mentioned that AMD would reduce pricing and withdraw some of the 939-pin (non AM2) processors from the marketplace. Update: I see a dual-core AMD X2 4400+ (1Mb cache per core) processor on www.monarchcomputers.com for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Quotas and Snapshots

2006-07-25 Thread Darren Dunham
> First, ZFS allows one to take advantage of large, inexpensive Serial ATA > disk drives. Paraphrased: "ZFS loves large, cheap SATA disk drives". So > the first part of the solution looks (to me) as simple as adding some > cheap SATA disk drives. I hope not. We have quotas available for a reaso

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Quotas and Snapshots

2006-07-25 Thread Brad Plecs
> First, ZFS allows one to take advantage of large, inexpensive Serial ATA > disk drives. Paraphrased: "ZFS loves large, cheap SATA disk drives". So > the first part of the solution looks (to me) as simple as adding some > cheap SATA disk drives. > > Next, after extra storage space has been adde

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposal: delegated administration

2006-07-25 Thread Mark Shellenbaum
I would like to make a couple of additions to the proposed model. Permission Sets. Allow the administrator to define a named set of permissions, and then use the name as a permission later on. Permission sets would be evaluated dynamically, so that changing the set definition would cha

Re: [zfs-discuss] ON build on Blade 1500 ATA disk extremely slow

2006-07-25 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 14:36, Rainer Orth wrote: > Perhaps lockstat(1M) should be updated to include something like > this in the EXAMPLES section. I filed 6452661 with this suggestion. > Any word when this might be fixed? I can't comment in terms of time, but the engineer working on it has a pa

Re: [zfs-discuss] ON build on Blade 1500 ATA disk extremely slow

2006-07-25 Thread Rainer Orth
Bill, > On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 14:36, Rainer Orth wrote: > > Perhaps lockstat(1M) should be updated to include something like > > this in the EXAMPLES section. > > I filed 6452661 with this suggestion. excellent, thanks. > > Any word when this might be fixed? > > I can't comment in terms of ti

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Quotas and Snapshots

2006-07-25 Thread Eric Schrock
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:13:16AM -0700, Brad Plecs wrote: > > If we must contain snapshots inside a filesystem, perhaps it's > possible to set a distinct quota for snapshot space vs. live data > space? I could then set snapshot quotas for my filesystems > arbitrarily large for my administrativ

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Quotas and Snapshots

2006-07-25 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:13:16AM -0700, Brad Plecs wrote: > http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6431277 > > What I'd really like to see is ... the ability for the snapshot space > to *not* impact the filesystem space). Yep, as Eric mentioned, that is the purpose of this

[zfs-discuss] How to best layout our filesystems

2006-07-25 Thread Karen Chau
Our application Canary has approx 750 clients uploading to the server every 10 mins, that's approx 108,000 gzip tarballs per day writing to the /upload directory. The parser untars the tarball which consists of 8 ascii files into the /archives directory. /app is our application and tools (apache,

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to best layout our filesystems

2006-07-25 Thread Eric Schrock
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 03:39:11PM -0700, Karen Chau wrote: > Our application Canary has approx 750 clients uploading to the server > every 10 mins, that's approx 108,000 gzip tarballs per day writing to > the /upload directory. The parser untars the tarball which consists of > 8 ascii files into

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to best layout our filesystems

2006-07-25 Thread Torrey McMahon
Given the amount of I/O wouldn't it make sense to get more drives involved or something that has cache on the front end or both? If you're really pushing the amount of I/O you're alluding too - Hard to tell without all the details - then you're probably going to hit a limitation on the drive IO

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Quotas and Snapshots

2006-07-25 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 7/25/06, Brad Plecs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've run into this myself. (I am in a university setting). after reading bug ID 6431277 (URL below for noobs like myself who didn't know what "see 6431277" meant): http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6431277 ...it's not

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Quotas and Snapshots

2006-07-25 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 07:24:51PM -0500, Mike Gerdts wrote: > On 7/25/06, Brad Plecs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >What I'd really like to see is ... the ability for the snapshot space > >to *not* impact the filesystem space). > > The idea is that you have two storage pools - one for live data, o

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Quotas and Snapshots

2006-07-25 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 7/25/06, Matthew Ahrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can simplify and improve the performance of this considerably by using 'zfs send': for user in $allusers ; do zfs snapshot users/[EMAIL PROTECTED] zfs send -i $yesterday users/[EMAIL PROTECTED] | \

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to best layout our filesystems

2006-07-25 Thread Sean Meighan
Hi Torrey; we are the cobblers kids. We borrowed this T2000 from Niagara engineering after we did some performance tests for them. I am trying to get a thumper to run this data set. This could take up to 3-4 months. Today we are watching 750 Sun Ray servers and 30,000 employees. Lets see 1) Sol

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to best layout our filesystems

2006-07-25 Thread George Wilson
Karen and Sean, You mention ZFS version 6 do yo mean that you are running s10u2_06? If so, then definitely you want to upgrade to the RR version of s10u2 which is s10u2_09a. Additionally, I've just putback the latest feature set and bugfixes which will be part of s10u3_03. There were some ad

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Quotas and Snapshots

2006-07-25 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 08:37:28PM -0500, Mike Gerdts wrote: > On 7/25/06, Matthew Ahrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >You can simplify and improve the performance of this considerably by > >using 'zfs send': > > > >for user in $allusers ; do > >zfs snapshot users/[EMAIL PR

[zfs-discuss] Feature proposal: differential pools

2006-07-25 Thread Andrew
Since ZFS is COW, can I have a read-only pool (on a central file server, or on a DVD, etc) with a separate block-differential pool on my local hard disk to store writes? This way, the pool in use can be read-write, even if the main pool itself is read-only, without having to make a full local co

[zfs-discuss] Feature proposal: trashcan via auto-snapshot with every txg commit

2006-07-25 Thread Andrew
Do an automatic pool snapshot (using the recursive atomic snapshot feature that Matt Ahrens implemented recently, taking time proportional to the number of filesystems in the pool) upon every txg commit. Management of the trashcan snapshots could be done by some user-configurable policy such as

[zfs-discuss] Flushing synchronous writes to mirrors

2006-07-25 Thread Andrew
For a synchronous write to a pool with mirrored disks, does the write unblock after just one of the disks' write caches is flushed, or only after all of the disks' caches are flushed? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing