Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-12 Thread Roch - PAE
rs are > constantly updating file. Hence my concerns about data integrity. Please > explain. > > thaks > > Ayaz Anjum > > > > > Darren Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 03/12/2007 05:45 AM >

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Toby Thain
On 11-Mar-07, at 11:22 PM, Stuart Low wrote: Heya, I believe Robert and Darren have offered sufficient explanations: You cannot be assured of committed data unless you've sync'd it. You are only risking data loss if your users and/or applications assume data is committed without seeing a comp

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Stuart Low
Heya, > I believe Robert and Darren have offered sufficient explanations: You > cannot be assured of committed data unless you've sync'd it. You are > only risking data loss if your users and/or applications assume data > is committed without seeing a completed sync, which would be a design > erro

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Toby Thain
To zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org cc Subject Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs ! > I have some concerns here, from my experience in the past, touching a > file ( doing some IO ) will cause the ufs filesystem to failover, unlike > zfs where it did not ! Why the behaviour of zfs

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Ayaz Anjum
updating file. Hence my concerns about data integrity. Please explain. thaks Ayaz Anjum Darren Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/12/2007 05:45 AM To zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org cc Subject Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs ! > I have some

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Darren Dunham
> I have some concerns here, from my experience in the past, touching a > file ( doing some IO ) will cause the ufs filesystem to failover, unlike > zfs where it did not ! Why the behaviour of zfs different than ufs ? UFS always does synchronous metadata updates. So a 'touch' that creates a fi

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Ayaz Anjum
Milkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Recipients: Manoj Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayaz Anjum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs ! Date: 03/08/2007 02:34:20 PM Hello Manoj, Thursday, March 8, 2007, 7:10:57 AM, you wrot

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-08 Thread Roch Bourbonnais
Any details on the use case ? Such an option will clearly make any filesystem just crawl on so many common operation. So it's rather interesting to know who/what is ready to sacrifice so much performance. In exchange for what ? Le 8 mars 07 à 21:19, Bruce Shaw a écrit : Would a forcesyn

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-08 Thread Selim Daoud
it's an absolute necessity On 3/8/07, Roch Bourbonnais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Le 8 mars 07 à 20:08, Selim Daoud a écrit : > robert, > this applies only if you have full control on the application forsure > ..but how do you do it if you don't own the application ... can you > mount zfs with

RE: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-08 Thread Bruce Shaw
>Would a forcesync flag be something of interest to the community ? Yes. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-08 Thread Roch Bourbonnais
Le 8 mars 07 à 20:08, Selim Daoud a écrit : robert, this applies only if you have full control on the application forsure ..but how do you do it if you don't own the application ... can you mount zfs with forcedirectio flag ? selim ufs directio and O_DSYNC are different things. Would a forc

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-08 Thread Selim Daoud
robert, this applies only if you have full control on the application forsure ..but how do you do it if you don't own the application ... can you mount zfs with forcedirectio flag ? selim On 3/8/07, Robert Milkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Manoj, Thursday, March 8, 2007, 7:10:57 AM,

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-08 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Manoj, Thursday, March 8, 2007, 7:10:57 AM, you wrote: MJ> Ayaz Anjum wrote: >> 2. with zfs mounted on one cluster node, i created a file and keeps it >> updating every second, then i removed the fc cable, the writes are still >> continuing to the file system, after 10 seconds i have put