Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and Storage

2006-06-29 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Philip, Thursday, June 29, 2006, 2:58:41 AM, you wrote: PB> Erik Trimble wrote: >> >> Since the best way to get this is to use a Mirror or RAIDZ vdev, I'm >> assuming that the proper way to get benefits from both ZFS and HW RAID >> is the following: >> >> (1) ZFS mirror of HW stripes,

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and Storage

2006-06-28 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Jun 28, 2006, at 18:25, Erik Trimble wrote:On Wed, 2006-06-28 at 14:55 -0700, Jeff Bonwick wrote: Which is better -zfs raidz on hardware mirrors, or zfs mirror on hardware raid-5? The latter.  With a mirror of RAID-5 arrays, you get:(1) Self-healing data.(2) Tolerance of whole-array failure.(3)

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and Storage

2006-06-28 Thread Erik Trimble
On Wed, 2006-06-28 at 14:55 -0700, Jeff Bonwick wrote: > > Which is better - > > zfs raidz on hardware mirrors, or zfs mirror on hardware raid-5? > > The latter. With a mirror of RAID-5 arrays, you get: > > (1) Self-healing data. > > (2) Tolerance of whole-array failure. > > (3) Tolerance of *

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and Storage

2006-06-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Erik, Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 6:32:38 PM, you wrote: ET> Robert - ET> I would definitely like to see the difference between read on HW RAID5 ET> vs read on RAIDZ. Naturally, one of the big concerns I would have is ET> how much RAM is needed to avoid any cache starvation on the ZFS ET

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and Storage

2006-06-28 Thread Jeff Bonwick
> Which is better - > zfs raidz on hardware mirrors, or zfs mirror on hardware raid-5? The latter. With a mirror of RAID-5 arrays, you get: (1) Self-healing data. (2) Tolerance of whole-array failure. (3) Tolerance of *at least* three disk failures. (4) More IOPs than raidz of hardware mirror

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and Storage

2006-06-28 Thread Peter Tribble
Robert, > PT> You really need some level of redundancy if you're using HW raid. > PT> Using plain stripes is downright dangerous. 0+1 vs 1+0 and all > PT> that. Seems to me that the simplest way to go is to use zfs to mirror > PT> HW raid5, preferably with the HW raid5 LUNs being completely > PT>

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and Storage

2006-06-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Peter, Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 1:11:29 AM, you wrote: PT> On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 17:50, Erik Trimble wrote: PT> You really need some level of redundancy if you're using HW raid. PT> Using plain stripes is downright dangerous. 0+1 vs 1+0 and all PT> that. Seems to me that the simplest way

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and Storage

2006-06-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Erik, Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 6:50:52 PM, you wrote: ET> Personally, I can't think of a good reason to use ZFS with HW RAID5; ET> case (3) above seems to me to provide better performance with roughly ET> the same amount of redundancy (not quite true, but close). I can see a reason. In o

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and Storage

2006-06-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello David, Wednesday, June 28, 2006, 12:30:54 AM, you wrote: DV> If ZFS is providing better data integrity then the current storage DV> arrays, that sounds like to me an opportunity for the next generation DV> of intelligent arrays to become better. Actually they can't. If you want end-to-end