Re: [zfs-discuss] Sidebar to ZFS Availability discussion

2008-09-02 Thread Miles Nordin
> "bs" == Bill Sommerfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: bs> In an ip network, end nodes generally know no more than the bs> pipe size of the first hop -- and in some cases (such as true bs> CSMA networks like classical ethernet or wireless) only have bs> an upper bound on the pip

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sidebar to ZFS Availability discussion

2008-09-02 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 15:03 -0400, Miles Nordin wrote: > It's sort of like network QoS, but not quite, because: > > (a) you don't know exactly how big the ``pipe'' is, only > approximately, In an ip network, end nodes generally know no more than the pipe size of the first hop -- and in

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sidebar to ZFS Availability discussion

2008-09-02 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 12:00 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: > 2. The algorithm *must* be computationally efficient. >We are looking down the tunnel at I/O systems that can >deliver on the order of 5 Million iops. We really won't >have many (any?) spare cycles to play with.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sidebar to ZFS Availability discussion

2008-09-01 Thread David Collier-Brown
Richard Elling wrote: > [what usually concerns me is that the software people spec'ing device > drivers don't seem to have much training in control systems, which is > what is being designed] Or try to develop safety-critical systems based on "best effort" instead of first developing a clear and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sidebar to ZFS Availability discussion

2008-09-01 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Miles, Sunday, August 31, 2008, 8:03:45 PM, you wrote: >> "dc" == David Collier-Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: MN> dc> one discovers latency growing without bound on disk MN> dc> saturation, MN> yeah, ZFS needs the same thing just for scrub. MN> I guess if the disks don't

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sidebar to ZFS Availability discussion

2008-08-31 Thread Richard Elling
Miles Nordin wrote: >> "dc" == David Collier-Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > > dc> one discovers latency growing without bound on disk > dc> saturation, > > yeah, ZFS needs the same thing just for scrub. > ZFS already schedules scrubs at a low priority. Howe

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sidebar to ZFS Availability discussion

2008-08-31 Thread Miles Nordin
> "dc" == David Collier-Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: dc> one discovers latency growing without bound on disk dc> saturation, yeah, ZFS needs the same thing just for scrub. I guess if the disks don't let you tag commands with priorities, then you have to run them at slightly belo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sidebar to ZFS Availability discussion

2008-08-31 Thread Richard Elling
David Collier-Brown wrote: > Re Availability: ZFS needs to handle disk removal / > driver failure better > >>> A better option would be to not use this to perform FMA diagnosis, but >>> instead work into the mirror child selection code. This has already >>> been alluded to before, but it woul