Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'll just add, but not for Mac OS X. It was way back in Finder 7 > > days, > > when they used to ship A/UX. (That was where I cut my unix teeth.) > > I was actually thinking more of NEXTSTEP, certainly a generation > beyond A/UX; and OS X, a generati

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-08 Thread BVK
On 6/8/07, Dick Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 08/06/07, BVK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > File based CDDL license seems like a right choice to a company like > Apple. My only worry is, Apple never works in open, so their > improvements may never get back into the community. Apple have giv

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-08 Thread BVK
On 6/8/07, Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, BVK wrote: > File based CDDL license seems like a right choice to a company like > Apple. My only worry is, Apple never works in open, so their > improvements may never get back into the community. But that can't happen (to fil

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-08 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Jun 8, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Rich Teer wrote: On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, BVK wrote: File based CDDL license seems like a right choice to a company like Apple. My only worry is, Apple never works in open, so their improvements may never get back into the community. But that can't happen (to files t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-08 Thread Rich Teer
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, BVK wrote: > File based CDDL license seems like a right choice to a company like > Apple. My only worry is, Apple never works in open, so their > improvements may never get back into the community. But that can't happen (to files that Apple modifies at least): the CDDL dictate

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-08 Thread Al Hopper
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, Toby Thain wrote: On 8-Jun-07, at 3:13 AM, BVK wrote: On 6/8/07, Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When should we expect Solaris kernel under OS X? 10.6? 10.7? :-) I think its quite possible. I believe, very soon they will ditch their Mach based (?) BSD and switch

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-08 Thread Toby Thain
On 8-Jun-07, at 3:13 AM, BVK wrote: On 6/8/07, Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When should we expect Solaris kernel under OS X? 10.6? 10.7? :-) I think its quite possible. I believe, very soon they will ditch their Mach based (?) BSD and switch to solaris. Many think this would be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-08 Thread Dick Davies
On 08/06/07, BVK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/8/07, Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When should we expect Solaris kernel under OS X? 10.6? 10.7? :-) > I think its quite possible. I believe, very soon they will ditch their Mach based (?) BSD and switch to solaris. I think that's ex

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-07 Thread BVK
On 6/8/07, Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When should we expect Solaris kernel under OS X? 10.6? 10.7? :-) I think its quite possible. I believe, very soon they will ditch their Mach based (?) BSD and switch to solaris. File based CDDL license seems like a right choice to a company li

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-07 Thread Adam Leventhal
On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 08:38:10PM -0300, Toby Thain wrote: > When should we expect Solaris kernel under OS X? 10.6? 10.7? :-) I'm sure Jonathan will be announcing that soon. ;-) Adam -- Adam Leventhal, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/ahl __

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-07 Thread Toby Thain
On 7-Jun-07, at 8:13 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On June 7, 2007 6:37:29 PM -0300 Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7-Jun-07, at 6:28 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On June 7, 2007 6:21:34 PM -0300 Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In general, IMHO this will be good for ZFS: Apple won't s

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-07 Thread Frank Cusack
On June 7, 2007 6:37:29 PM -0300 Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 7-Jun-07, at 6:28 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On June 7, 2007 6:21:34 PM -0300 Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In general, IMHO this will be good for ZFS: Apple won't ship until it's shaken down and idiot proof. Oh,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-07 Thread Toby Thain
On 7-Jun-07, at 6:28 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On June 7, 2007 6:21:34 PM -0300 Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In general, IMHO this will be good for ZFS: Apple won't ship until it's shaken down and idiot proof. Oh, I dunno. Apple ships a lot of buggy stuff. Not at this level. Rem

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-07 Thread Frank Cusack
On June 7, 2007 6:21:34 PM -0300 Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In general, IMHO this will be good for ZFS: Apple won't ship until it's shaken down and idiot proof. Oh, I dunno. Apple ships a lot of buggy stuff. I expect this will result in substantial quality feedback and patches fro

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-07 Thread Toby Thain
On 7-Jun-07, at 4:53 PM, Lee Fyock wrote: Thanks, Chad. There's some debate in the Mac community about what the phrase "the file system in Mac OS X" means. Does that mean that machines that ship with Leopard will run on ZFS discs by default? Will ZFS be the default file system when initi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-07 Thread Lee Fyock
Thanks, Chad. There's some debate in the Mac community about what the phrase "the file system in Mac OS X" means. Does that mean that machines that ship with Leopard will run on ZFS discs by default? Will ZFS be the default file system when initializing a new drive? IMHO, that seems unlik

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mac OS X "Leopard" to use ZFS

2007-06-07 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Jun 7, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Rick Mann wrote: From Macintouch (http://macintouch.com/#other.2007.06.07): --- On stage Wednesday in Washington D.C., Sun Microsystems Inc. CEO Jonathan Schwartz revealed that his company's open-source ZFS file system will replace Apple's long-used HFS+ in Ma