Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-25 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 07/23/11 04:57, Michael DeMan wrote: Generally performance is going to pretty bad as well - USB sticks are not made to be written too rapidly. They are entirely different animals than SSDs. I would not be surprised (but would be curious to know if you still move forward on this) that you will

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-22 Thread Michael DeMan
+1 on the below, and in addition... ...compact flash, like off of USB sticks is not designed to deal with very many writes to it. Commonly it is used to store a bootable image that maybe once a year will have an upgrade on it. Basically, trying to use those devices for a ZIL, even they are mir

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-18 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
If using two mirrors, you'll end up with a badly balanced pool. As it was, and possibly is, this will lead to a performance penalty when one VDEV is full (the 300GB VDEV). This write performance has reportedly been fixed in Illumos, but I don't know about S11ex. For OpenIndiana/Nexenta, the fix

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-18 Thread Frank Van Damme
2011/7/15 Eugen Leitl : > Speaking of which, is there a point in using an eSATA flash stick? > If yes, which? It depends on the drive off course, you'll have to look up benchmark results - but there are eSata sticks out there that are more or less built to Perform (as opposed to providing cheap st

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-18 Thread Edho Arief
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Brandon High wrote: > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Edward Ned Harvey > wrote: >> Actually, you can't do that.  You can't make a vdev from other vdev's, and >> when it comes to striping and mirroring your only choice is to do it the >> right way. >> >> If yo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-18 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Tiernan OToole wrote: > Ok, so, taking 2 300Gb disks, and 2 500Gb disks, and creating an 800Gb > mirrored striped thing is sounding like a bad idea... what about just > creating a pool of all disks, without using mirrors? I seen something called > "copies", which i

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-18 Thread Tiernan OToole
Ok, so, taking 2 300Gb disks, and 2 500Gb disks, and creating an 800Gb mirrored striped thing is sounding like a bad idea... what about just creating a pool of all disks, without using mirrors? I seen something called "copies", which if i am reading correctly, will make sure a number of copies of a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-17 Thread Brandon High
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > Actually, you can't do that.  You can't make a vdev from other vdev's, and > when it comes to striping and mirroring your only choice is to do it the > right way. > > If you were REALLY trying to go out of your way to do it wrong someh

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-17 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-07-17 23:13, Edward Ned Harvey пишет: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov if the OP were so inclined, he could craft a couple of "striped" pools (300+500) and then make a ZFS pool over these two. Actually, you can'

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-17 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov > > if the OP were so inclined, > he could craft a couple of "striped" pools (300+500) and > then make a ZFS pool over these two. Actually, you can't do that. You can't make a vde

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-16 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-07-16 20:42, Edward Ned Harvey пишет: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Well, in terms of mirroring over stripes, if any component of any stripe breaks, the whole half of the mirror is degraded. If another drive f

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov > > Well, in terms of mirroring over stripes, if any component of any > stripe > breaks, > the whole half of the mirror is degraded. If another drive from another > half > also break

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-16 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-07-16 18:48, Tiernan OToole пишет: thats not a typo... I was thinking 2 pools, 800gb each, and mirrored... think i should mess around with this setup a bit more and see what i can get working... might work better if i just move them into a new enclosure... we see what happens... Well,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-16 Thread Tiernan OToole
thats not a typo... I was thinking 2 pools, 800gb each, and mirrored... think i should mess around with this setup a bit more and see what i can get working... might work better if i just move them into a new enclosure... we see what happens... Thanks for the info on the USB drives... if the ZIL d

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-16 Thread Tiernan OToole
So, i like the sound of that, but the box is a very frankinbox like... it has 2 SATA ports, one used for the boot drive, one for one of the 500s... the second 500Gb is IDE. The 2 USB drives both internally are SATA, so pulling one and plugging it internally wont work that well... but thats for the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-16 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-07-16 15:46, Tiernan OToole ?: Thanks for the info. need to rebuild my machine and ZFS pool kind of new to this and realized i built it as a stripe, not a mirror... also, want to add extra disks... As a follow up question: I have 2 500Gb internal drives and 2 300Gb USB drives. If

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Tiernan OToole [mailto:lsmart...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:46 AM > > I have 2 500Gb internal drives and 2 300Gb USB drives. If i where to create a 2 > pools, a 300Gb and a 500Gb in each, and then mirror over them, would that > work? is it even posible? or what would you

Re: [zfs-discuss] (Zil on multiple usb keys) Mirroring the pool

2011-07-16 Thread Craig Cory
Tiernan, Depending on how you have created your current pool, you *may* be able to add the mirroring without rebuilding it. Each disk in the stripe can have a second disk of equal size attached to it to form a mirrored component, or vdev. So if your pool has 2 500GB drives, attach another 500GB dr

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-16 Thread Tiernan OToole
Thanks for the info. need to rebuild my machine and ZFS pool kind of new to this and realized i built it as a stripe, not a mirror... also, want to add extra disks... As a follow up question: I have 2 500Gb internal drives and 2 300Gb USB drives. If i where to create a 2 pools, a 300Gb and a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-16 Thread Tiernan OToole
Well, not knowing a lot about these, but if the flash stick is based on SSD, then it might work well, but if its just a standard USB key rebundled as a eSATA disk, maybe not... On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 04:21:13PM +, Tiernan OToole wrote: >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-15 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 04:21:13PM +, Tiernan OToole wrote: > This might be a stupid question, but here goes... Would adding, say, 4 4 or > 8gb usb keys as a zil make enough of a difference for writes on an iscsi > shared vol? > > I am finding reads are not too bad (40is mb/s over gige on 2

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-15 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole > > This might be a stupid question, but here goes... Would adding, say, 4 4 or > 8gb usb keys as a zil make enough of a difference for writes on an iscsi shared > vol? > > I am

[zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-15 Thread Tiernan OToole
This might be a stupid question, but here goes... Would adding, say, 4 4 or 8gb usb keys as a zil make enough of a difference for writes on an iscsi shared vol? I am finding reads are not too bad (40is mb/s over gige on 2 500gb drives stripped) but writes top out at about 10 and drop a lot low