Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL on a dedicated HDD slice (1-2 disk systems)

2012-01-09 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov > > 1) Sync writes will land on disk randomly into nearest > (to disk heads) available blocks, in order to have them > committed ASAP; This is true - but you need to make the distin

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL on a dedicated HDD slice (1-2 disk systems)

2012-01-09 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-01-08 5:45, Richard Elling wrote: I think you will see a tradeoff on the read side of the mixed read/write workload. Sync writes have higher priority than reads so the order of I/O sent to the disk will appear to be very random and not significantly coalesced. This is the pathological worst

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL on a dedicated HDD slice (1-2 disk systems)

2012-01-09 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 01/08/12 18:21, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Something else to be aware of is that even if you don't have a dedicated ZIL device, zfs will create a ZIL using devices in the main pool so Terminology nit: The log device is a SLOG. Every ZFS dataset has a ZIL. Where the ZIL writes (slog or main p

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL on a dedicated HDD slice (1-2 disk systems)

2012-01-08 Thread Casper . Dik
>If the performance of the outer tracks is better than the performance of the >inner tracks due to limitations of magnetic density or rotation speed (not >being limited by the head speed or bus speed), then the sequential >performance of the drive should increase as a square function, going towar

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL on a dedicated HDD slice (1-2 disk systems)

2012-01-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 7 Jan 2012, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: If you don't split out your ZIL separate from the storage pool, zfs already chooses disk blocks that it believes to be optimized for minimal access time. In fact, I believe, zfs will dedicate a few sectors at the low end, a few at the high end, and v

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL on a dedicated HDD slice (1-2 disk systems)

2012-01-08 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-01-08 18:56, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] Disagree. My data, and the vendor specs, continue to show different sequential media bandwidth speed for inner vs outer cylinders. Any reference? Well, Richard's data matches mine with tests of m

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL on a dedicated HDD slice (1-2 disk systems)

2012-01-08 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] > > > Also, the concept of "faster tracks of the HDD" is also incorrect. Yes, > > there was a time when HDD speeds were limited by rotational speed and > > magnetic density, so the outer tracks of the disk could serve up more data > > becau

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL on a dedicated HDD slice (1-2 disk systems)

2012-01-07 Thread Richard Elling
On Jan 7, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- >> boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov >> >> For smaller systems such as laptops or low-end servers, >> which can house 1-2 disks, would it make sense to dedicate

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL on a dedicated HDD slice (1-2 disk systems)

2012-01-07 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov > >For smaller systems such as laptops or low-end servers, > which can house 1-2 disks, would it make sense to dedicate > a 2-4Gb slice to the ZIL for the data pool, separate fro

[zfs-discuss] ZIL on a dedicated HDD slice (1-2 disk systems)

2012-01-07 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello all, For smaller systems such as laptops or low-end servers, which can house 1-2 disks, would it make sense to dedicate a 2-4Gb slice to the ZIL for the data pool, separate from rpool? Example layout (single-disk or mirrored): s0 - 16Gb - rpool s1 - 4Gb - data-zil s3 - *Gb - data pool