Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-02-02 Thread Casper . Dik
>For example, ls recently got -% option. This seems to work for >/usr/bin/ls, /usr/xpg4/bin/ls, and /usr/xpg6/bin/ls. so, that's good! >albeit a little surprising. There's only one source file. So if you add an option you'll add it to all of them. >But if /usr/xpg6/bin/ls came first in PATH

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-02-02 Thread Miles Nordin
> "fm" == Fredrich Maney writes: fm> Oddly enough, that seems to be the path was taken by fm> Sun quite some time ago with /usr/bin. Those tools are the fm> standard, default tools on Sun systems for a reason: they are fm> the ones that are maintained and updated with new feat

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-02-01 Thread Fredrich Maney
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Miles Nordin wrote: >> "fm" == Fredrich Maney writes: > >fm> changing the default toolset (without notification) > > I wouldn't wish for notification all the time and tell people they > cannot move unless they notify everyone, or you will get a bunch of >

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-30 Thread Miles Nordin
> "fm" == Fredrich Maney writes: fm> changing the default toolset (without notification) I wouldn't wish for notification all the time and tell people they cannot move unless they notify everyone, or you will get a bunch of CYA disclaimers and still have no input. And if you won't take

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-30 Thread Fredrich Maney
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Tim wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Volker A. Brandt wrote: [...] >> > 3)The educated/smart Linux users. They know about the differences >> > and they are able to decide whether they like to use the Solaris >> > tools with full Solaris

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-30 Thread Tim
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Volker A. Brandt wrote: > > > Hmmm... I don't think a Linux user can be "really dumb". He/she would > not run Linux, but a certain other system. :-) My mother just ordered a netbook that came with ubuntu. She can barely handle turning a system on. So there mo

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-30 Thread Volker A. Brandt
> > Ouch! Neither OSX nor *BSD are GNU-based. They do ship with > > GNU-related things but that's been a long and hard battle. > > While you are true, this isn't going to help on. I agree. > I see three possible types of Linux users that should be discussed. > > 1)The really dumb Linux user

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Volker A. Brandt" wrote: > > Given the massive success of GNU based systems (Linux, OS X, *BSD) > > Ouch! Neither OSX nor *BSD are GNU-based. They do ship with > GNU-related things but that's been a long and hard battle. While you are true, this isn't going to help on. Let me try to give som

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-29 Thread Toby Thain
On 29-Jan-09, at 4:53 PM, Volker A. Brandt wrote: >> Given the massive success of GNU based systems (Linux, OS X, *BSD) > > Ouch! Neither OSX nor *BSD are GNU-based. I meant, extensive GNU userland (in OS X's case). (sorry Ian) --Toby > They do ship with > GNU-related things but that's been

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-29 Thread Miles Nordin
> "fm" == Fredrich Maney writes: fm> put the GNU utilities in default system wide path before the fm> native Sun utilities in order to make it easier to attract fm> Linux users It's a quick thing to make it feel like you're ``doing something about the problem'' but the idea of di

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-29 Thread Ian Collins
Volker A. Brandt wrote: >> Given the massive success of GNU based systems (Linux, OS X, *BSD) >> > > Ouch! Neither OSX nor *BSD are GNU-based. Not here, please. This topic has been beaten to death on the discuss list, where it's topical. -- Ian. _

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-29 Thread Volker A. Brandt
> Given the massive success of GNU based systems (Linux, OS X, *BSD) Ouch! Neither OSX nor *BSD are GNU-based. They do ship with GNU-related things but that's been a long and hard battle. And the massive success has really only been Linux due to brilliant PR (and FUD about *BSD) and OS X due to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-29 Thread Toby Thain
On 29-Jan-09, at 2:17 PM, Ross wrote: > Yeah, breaking functionality in one of the main reasons people are > going to be trying OpenSolaris is just dumb... really, really dumb. > > One thing Linux, Windows, OS/X, etc all get right is that they're > pretty easy to use right out of the box. Th

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-29 Thread Ross
Yeah, breaking functionality in one of the main reasons people are going to be trying OpenSolaris is just dumb... really, really dumb. One thing Linux, Windows, OS/X, etc all get right is that they're pretty easy to use right out of the box. They're all different, but they all do their own job

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-29 Thread Matt Harrison
Christine Tran wrote: >> There was a very long discussion about this a couple of weeks ago on >> one of the lists. Apparently the decision was made to put the GNU >> utilities in default system wide path before the native Sun utilities >> in order to make it easier to attract Linux users by making

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-29 Thread Christine Tran
> There was a very long discussion about this a couple of weeks ago on > one of the lists. Apparently the decision was made to put the GNU > utilities in default system wide path before the native Sun utilities > in order to make it easier to attract Linux users by making the > environment more fam

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-29 Thread Fredrich Maney
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Christine Tran wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Christine Tran > wrote: >> What is wrong with this? >> >> # chmod -R A+user:webservd:add_file/write_data/execute:allow /var/apache >> chmod: invalid mode: `A+user:webservd:add_file/write_data/execute:allow

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-28 Thread Ross
Hit this myself. I could be wrong, but from memory I think the paths are ok if you're a normal user, it's just root that's messed up. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opens

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-28 Thread Christine Tran
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Christine Tran wrote: > What is wrong with this? > > # chmod -R A+user:webservd:add_file/write_data/execute:allow /var/apache > chmod: invalid mode: `A+user:webservd:add_file/write_data/execute:allow' > Try `chmod --help' for more information. > Never mind. /usr/

[zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-01-28 Thread Christine Tran
What is wrong with this? # chmod -R A+user:webservd:add_file/write_data/execute:allow /var/apache chmod: invalid mode: `A+user:webservd:add_file/write_data/execute:allow' Try `chmod --help' for more information. This works in a zone, works on S10u5, does not work on OpenSolaris2008.11. CT __