Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008, Richard Elling wrote: > > Let's do some math. A generally accepted Soft Error Rate (SER) for > DRAMs is > 1,000 FITs or an Annualized Failure Rate (AFR) of 0.88%. If a non-ECC DIMM > has 8 chips then your AFR is 7%, or 14% for 16 chip DIMMs. My desktop > has 4 DIMMs at 16-ch

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-16 Thread Ian Collins
On Mon 17/11/08 09:17 , Richard Elling [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: > Ian Collins wrote: > > > ZFS also uses system RAM in a way it hasn't been > used before. Memory> that would have been unused or holding static > pages is now churning> rapidly, in a way similar memory testers like > memtest86. Rand

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-16 Thread Richard Elling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> RTL8211C IP checksum offload is broken. You can disable it, but you >> have to edit /etc/system. See CR 6686415 for details. >> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6686415 >> -- richard >> > > > I think the proper way to state this is "the d

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-16 Thread Richard Elling
Ian Collins wrote: > Al Hopper wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> dick hoogendijk wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:49:17 +1300 Ian Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-16 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:38:53 -0600 "Al Hopper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I guess I've been lucky also > - but IMHO the failure rate for RAM these days is pretty small[1]. > I've also been around hundreds of SPARC boxes and, again, very, few > RAM failures (one is all that I can remember). >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-15 Thread Ian Collins
Al Hopper wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> dick hoogendijk wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:49:17 +1300 >>> Ian Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > WD Cavi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-15 Thread Al Hopper
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > dick hoogendijk wrote: >> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:49:17 +1300 >> Ian Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> > WD Caviar Black drive [...] Intel E7200 2.53GHz 3MB L2 > The P45 b

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-15 Thread Casper . Dik
>Henrik Johansson wrote: >> On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> I went for a AM2+ GeForce 8200 motherboard which seemed more stable with Solaris than 8300. With the AM2+ socket I can wait for the new 45nm CPUs, I bought the cheapest dual-core I could find

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-15 Thread Rob
dick hoogendijk wrote: > > Ian Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >>> >>> > WD Caviar Black drive [...] Intel E7200 2.53GHz 3MB L2 >>> >>> > The P45 based boards are a no-brainer >>> >>> >>> >>> 16G of DDR2-1066 with P45 or >>> >>> 8G of ECC DDR2-800

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-15 Thread Richard Elling
Henrik Johansson wrote: > On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>> I went for a AM2+ GeForce 8200 motherboard which seemed more stable >>> with Solaris than 8300. With the AM2+ socket I can wait for the new >>> 45nm CPUs, I bought the cheapest dual-core I could find for now

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-15 Thread Richard Elling
dick hoogendijk wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:49:17 +1300 > Ian Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> > WD Caviar Black drive [...] Intel E7200 2.53GHz 3MB L2 >>> > The P45 based boards are a no-brainer >>> >>> 16G of DDR2-1066 with P45 or >>> 8G of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-15 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:49:17 +1300 Ian Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > WD Caviar Black drive [...] Intel E7200 2.53GHz 3MB L2 > > > The P45 based boards are a no-brainer > > > > 16G of DDR2-1066 with P45 or > > 8G of ECC DDR2-800 with 3210 based boards > > >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-15 Thread Henrik Johansson
On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >> I went for a AM2+ GeForce 8200 motherboard which seemed more stable >> with Solaris than 8300. With the AM2+ socket I can wait for the new >> 45nm CPUs, I bought the cheapest dual-core I could find for now >> (which >> did not supp

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-15 Thread Casper . Dik
>I looked at this a month back, i was leaning towards intel for >performance and power consumption but went for AMD doe to lack of ECC >support in most of the Intel chipsets. > >I went for a AM2+ GeForce 8200 motherboard which seemed more stable >with Solaris than 8300. With the AM2+ socket

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-14 Thread Ian Collins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > WD Caviar Black drive [...] Intel E7200 2.53GHz 3MB L2 > > The P45 based boards are a no-brainer > > 16G of DDR2-1066 with P45 or > 8G of ECC DDR2-800 with 3210 based boards > > That is the question. > > I guess the answer is how valuable is your data? -- Ian.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-14 Thread Rob
> WD Caviar Black drive [...] Intel E7200 2.53GHz 3MB L2 > The P45 based boards are a no-brainer 16G of DDR2-1066 with P45 or 8G of ECC DDR2-800 with 3210 based boards That is the question. Rob ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discu

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-14 Thread Al Hopper
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 14 Nov 2008, Al Hopper wrote: >> >> b) If I were building a system today, I'd go Intel - even thought I'm >> an AMD fanboy - but I can't recommend AMD today ... unfortunately. > > Is there some particular reason

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008, Al Hopper wrote: > > b) If I were building a system today, I'd go Intel - even thought I'm > an AMD fanboy - but I can't recommend AMD today ... unfortunately. Is there some particular reason for this? The now shipping 0.45 micron quad-core Opterons seem quite nice indeed.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-14 Thread Henrik Johansson
I looked at this a month back, i was leaning towards intel for performance and power consumption but went for AMD doe to lack of ECC support in most of the Intel chipsets. I went for a AM2+ GeForce 8200 motherboard which seemed more stable with Solaris than 8300. With the AM2+ socket I can w

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-14 Thread Al Hopper
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:43 PM, gnomad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Like many others, I am looking to put together a SOHO NAS based on ZFS/CIFS. > The plan is 6 x 1TB drives in RAIDZ2 configuration, driven via mobo with 6 > SATA ports. > > I've read most, if not all, of the threads here, as wel

Re: [zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-14 Thread Ian Collins
gnomad wrote: > So, my questions: > > - Has the MCP55 copy/fs lockup bug been fixed yet? > > Which bug ids? I've never seen any such problems in 18 months of heavy use. Note the x4540 uses these. > - Have the Nvidia 750a driver issues been resolved? > > Which bug ids? -- Ian. ___

[zfs-discuss] Still more questions WRT selecting a mobo for small ZFS RAID

2008-11-14 Thread gnomad
Like many others, I am looking to put together a SOHO NAS based on ZFS/CIFS. The plan is 6 x 1TB drives in RAIDZ2 configuration, driven via mobo with 6 SATA ports. I've read most, if not all, of the threads here, as well as sbredon's excellent article on building a home NAS, yet I still have a