Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-11 Thread Brandon High
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are those universal though? I was under the impression it had to be > supported by the motherboard, or you'd fry all components involved. There are PCI/PCI-X to PCI-e bridge chips available (as well as PCI-e to AGP) and they're par

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-11 Thread Lee
I don't think so, not all of them anyway. They also sell ones that have a proprietary goldfinger, which obviously would not work. The spec does not mention any specific restrictions, just lists the interface types (but it is fairly breif), and you can certianly buy PCI - PCI-E generic adapters

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-11 Thread Tim
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If your worried about the bandwidth limitations of putting something like > the supermicro card in a pci slot how about using an active riser card to > convert from PCI-E to PCI-X. One of these, or something similar: > > http://www

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-11 Thread Lee
If your worried about the bandwidth limitations of putting something like the supermicro card in a pci slot how about using an active riser card to convert from PCI-E to PCI-X. One of these, or something similar: http://www.tyan.com/product_accessories_spec.aspx?pid=26 on sale at http://www.am

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-10 Thread James C. McPherson
Brandon High wrote: > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Joe Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> winner is going to be the newer SAS/SATA mixed HBAs from LSI based on >> the 1068 chipset, which Sun has been supporting well in newer >> hardware. >> >> http://jmlittle.blogspot.com/2008/06/recommended-d

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-10 Thread Brandon High
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Joe Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > winner is going to be the newer SAS/SATA mixed HBAs from LSI based on > the 1068 chipset, which Sun has been supporting well in newer > hardware. > > http://jmlittle.blogspot.com/2008/06/recommended-disk-controllers-for-zfs.htm

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > /dev/zero does not have infinite performance. Dd will perform at > least one extra data copy in memory. Since zfs computes checksums it > needs to inspect all of the bytes in what is written. As a result, > zfs will easily know if the block is all

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-09 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008, Jonathan Hogg wrote: >> Are you sure gdd doesn't create a sparse file? > > One would presumably expect it to be instantaneous if it was creating > a sparse file. It's not a compressed filesystem though is it? /dev/ > zero tends to be fairly compressible ;-) /dev/zero does not

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-09 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008, Tom Buskey wrote: > > time gdd if=/dev/zero bs=1048576 count=10240 of=/data/video/x > > real 0m13.503s > user 0m0.016s > sys 0m8.981s These results are not quite valid. /dev/zero only produces null bytes which allows zfs to store the data as sparse files (i.e. write less

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-09 Thread Tom Buskey
> > time gdd if=/dev/zero bs=1048576 count=10240 > of=/data/video/x > > real 0m13.503s > user 0m0.016s > sys 0m8.981s As someone pointed out, this is a compressed file system :-) I'll have to get a copy of Bonnie++ or some such to get more accurate numbers This message posted from openso

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-09 Thread Jonathan Hogg
On 9 Jun 2008, at 14:59, Thomas Maier-Komor wrote: >> time gdd if=/dev/zero bs=1048576 count=10240 of=/data/video/x >> >> real 0m13.503s >> user 0m0.016s >> sys 0m8.981s >> >> > > Are you sure gdd doesn't create a sparse file? One would presumably expect it to be instantaneous if it was creating

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-09 Thread Thomas Maier-Komor
Tom Buskey schrieb: >> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 16:23, Tom Buskey >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I have an AMD 939 MB w/ Nvidea on the motherboard >> and 4 500GB SATA II drives in a RAIDZ. >> ... >>> I get 550 MB/s >> I doubt this number a lot. That's almost 200 >> (550/N-1 = 183) MB/s per >> dis

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-09 Thread Tim
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 16:23, Tom Buskey > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have an AMD 939 MB w/ Nvidea on the motherboard > > and 4 500GB SATA II drives in a RAIDZ. > > ... > > > I get 550 MB/s > > I doubt this number

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-09 Thread Tom Buskey
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 16:23, Tom Buskey > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have an AMD 939 MB w/ Nvidea on the motherboard > and 4 500GB SATA II drives in a RAIDZ. > ... > > I get 550 MB/s > I doubt this number a lot. That's almost 200 > (550/N-1 = 183) MB/s per > disk, and drives I've seen are

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-07 Thread Nathan Kroenert
Tim wrote: > > > > **pci or pci-x. Yes, you might see *SOME* loss in speed from a pci > interface, but let's be honest, there aren't a whole lot of users on > this list that have the infrastructure to use greater than 100MB/sec who > are asking this sort of question. A PCI bus should have n

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-06 Thread Joe Little
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Joe Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Peeyush Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrot

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-06 Thread Will Murnane
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 16:23, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have an AMD 939 MB w/ Nvidea on the motherboard and 4 500GB SATA II drives > in a RAIDZ. ... > I get 550 MB/s I doubt this number a lot. That's almost 200 (550/N-1 = 183) MB/s per disk, and drives I've seen are usually more i

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-06 Thread Tim
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Tom Buskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >**pci or pci-x. Yes, you might see > > *SOME* loss in speed from a pci interface, but > > let's be honest, there aren't a whole lot of > > users on this list that have the infrastructure to > > use greater than 100MB/sec who

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-06 Thread Tom Buskey
>**pci or pci-x.  Yes, you might see > *SOME* loss in speed from a pci interface, but > let's be honest, there aren't a whole lot of > users on this list that have the infrastructure to > use greater than 100MB/sec who are asking this sort > of question.  A PCI bus should have no issues > pushing t

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-06 Thread Marc Bevand
Richard L. Hamilton smart.net> writes: > But I suspect to some extent you get what you pay for; the throughput on the > higher-end boards may well be a good bit higher. Not really. Nowadays, even the cheapest controllers, processors & mobos are EASILY capable of handling the platter-speed throug

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-06 Thread Marc Bevand
Buy a 2-port SATA II PCI-E x1 SiI3132 controller ($20). The solaris driver is very stable. Or, a solution I would personally prefer, don't use a 7th disk. Partition each of your 6 disks with a small ~7-GB slice at the beginning and the rest of the disk for ZFS. Install the OS in one of the sma

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-06 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
I don't presently have any working x86 hardware, nor do I routinely work with x86 hardware configurations. But it's not hard to find previous discussion on the subject: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=96790 for example... Also, remember that SAS controllers can usually also

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-05 Thread Tim
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Joe Little <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Peeyush Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hey guys, please excuse me in advance if I say or ask anything

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-05 Thread Joe Little
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Peeyush Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Hey guys, please excuse me in advance if I say or ask anything stupid :) >> >> Anyway, Solaris newbie here. I've built for myself a new file server

Re: [zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-05 Thread Tim
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Peeyush Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey guys, please excuse me in advance if I say or ask anything stupid :) > > Anyway, Solaris newbie here. I've built for myself a new file server to > use at home, in which I'm planning on configuring SXCE-89 & ZFS. It's

[zfs-discuss] SATA controller suggestion

2008-06-05 Thread Peeyush Singh
Hey guys, please excuse me in advance if I say or ask anything stupid :) Anyway, Solaris newbie here. I've built for myself a new file server to use at home, in which I'm planning on configuring SXCE-89 & ZFS. It's a Supermicro C2SBX motherboard with a Core2Duo & 4GB DDR3. I have 6x750GB SATA