On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 00:07 -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
> Some people are making money on the concept, so I
> suppose there are those who perceive benefits:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_ClearCase
>
> (I dimly remember DSEE on the Apollos; ...)
I used both fairly extensively.
Why not see if you can find (or write, or have written) an editor that does the
version name changes for you?
i.e. - each time you save, or each auto-save, it writes a different version of
the file, and when you exit, it asks if you'd like to retain the other versions
or not?
Sounds like it wo
> So, if I build it, people will want it? ;)
I think implementing this feature would help Apple adopt ZFS for Time Machine,
which is essentially a versioning FS in practice. Actually I don't know if
Apple does this, but you can increment versions with kernel notifications of
file changes (Spot
Just to put the references I read in the past about it:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/library/4ac505e6-dd8b-4ae7-80fa-b9d77cd8104d.mspx
Windows 2003 Derver implementation (for server side copies of client user files)
Working with the Windows Server 2003 Volume Shadow Copy Service
"A. C. Censi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems that Windows 2003 (and VIsta will too), supports file
> versioning. I am not familiar with the implementation. AFAIR it is
> using the "alternate data stream" builtin in NTFS, to work with the
> versions and hide the versions from the user.
>
Th
It seems that Windows 2003 (and VIsta will too), supports file
versioning. I am not familiar with the implementation. AFAIR it is
using the "alternate data stream" builtin in NTFS, to work with the
versions and hide the versions from the user.
Certainly in Vista they will have to handle at least
"Anton B. Rang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >People are oriented to their files, not to snapshots.
>
> True, though with NetApp-style snapshots, it's not that difficult to
> translate 'src/file.c' to '.snapshot/hourly.0/src/file.c' and see what it was
> like an hour ago. I imagine that a syntax
> If you disagree, please tell us *why* you think snapshots don't solve the
> problem.
Three reasons.
First of all, unless we have per-file snapshots, there's no way to keep old
versions of particularly important files without keeping old versions of
everything else. If I have a 4 GB video in
On Oct 6, 2006, at 23:42, Anton B. Rang wrote:I don't agree that version control systems solve the same problem as file versioning. I don't want to check *every change* that I make into version control -- it makes the history unwieldy. At the same time, if I make a change that turns out to work rea
>Versioning cannot be automated; taking periodic snapshots != capturing
>application state.
But I think we have existence proofs of operating systems which do automate
versioning.
It's true that capturing a new version each time a file has been modified and
closed may not be perfect, but if it
>People are oriented to their files, not to snapshots.
True, though with NetApp-style snapshots, it's not that difficult to translate
'src/file.c' to '.snapshot/hourly.0/src/file.c' and see what it was like an
hour ago. I imagine that a syntax like '.snapshot/22:20/src/file.c' would also
be eas
>I think our problem is that we look at FV from different angles. I look
>at it from the point of view of people who have NEVER used FV, and you
>look at it from the view of people who have ALWAYS used FV.
That's certainly a part of it. It's interesting reading this discussion, as
someone who u
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 09:18:16AM -0700, Anton B. Rang wrote:
> ClearCase is a version control system, though — not the same as file
> versioning.
But they have a filesystem interface. Crucially, this involves
additional interfaces. VC cannot be automatic.
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ClearCase is a version control system, though — not the same as file versioning.
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> What would a version FS buy us that cron+ zfs
> snapshots doesn't?
Some people are making money on the concept, so I
suppose there are those who perceive benefits:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_ClearCase
(I dimly remember DSEE on the Apollos; also some sort of
versioning file type on (
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