Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-11 Thread Richard Elling
Carson Gaspar wrote: > Richard Elling wrote: > >> For campus or metro sized systems, many people just use HA clusters. >> The complexity level is similar and you automatically avoid the NFS >> file handle problem. There is a lot of expertise in this area as NFS >> is one of the most popular clus

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-11 Thread Carson Gaspar
Richard Elling wrote: > > For campus or metro sized systems, many people just use HA clusters. > The complexity level is similar and you automatically avoid the NFS > file handle problem. There is a lot of expertise in this area as NFS > is one of the most popular clustered services. > http://www.o

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-11 Thread Richard Elling
Carson Gaspar wrote: > Let me drag this thread kicking and screaming back to ZFS... > > Use case: > > - We need an NFS server that can be replicated to another building to > handle both scheduled powerdowns and unplanned outages. For scheduled > powerdowns we'd want to fail over a week in advance

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Maurice Volaski
>The problem with fully automated systems for remote replication is >that they are fully automated. This opens you up to a set of failure modes >that you may want to avoid, such as replication of data that you don't >want to replicate. This is why most replication is used to support disaster >rec

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Carson Gaspar
Let me drag this thread kicking and screaming back to ZFS... Use case: - We need an NFS server that can be replicated to another building to handle both scheduled powerdowns and unplanned outages. For scheduled powerdowns we'd want to fail over a week in advance, and fail back some time later.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Richard Elling
Erast Benson wrote: >> Uh, no, DRBD addresses only replication. Linux-HA (aka Heartbeat) >> address availability. They can be an integrated solution and are to >> some degree intended that way, so I have no idea where your opinion >> is coming from. >> > > Because in my opinion DRBD takes s

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 19:42 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 19:10 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >> >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 18:37 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >> >> >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 15:00 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >> >> >> >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 14:36 -04

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Maurice Volaski
>On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 19:10 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: >> >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 18:37 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: >> >> >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 15:00 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: >> >> >> >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 14:36 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: >> >> >> >> A disadvantage, however

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 19:10 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 18:37 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >> >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 15:00 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >> >> >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 14:36 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >> >> >> A disadvantage, however, is that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Maurice Volaski
>On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 18:37 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: >> >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 15:00 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: >> >> >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 14:36 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: >> >> >> A disadvantage, however, is that Sun StorageTek Availability Suite >> >> >> (AVS), the DRBD equ

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 18:37 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 15:00 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >> >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 14:36 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >> >> A disadvantage, however, is that Sun StorageTek Availability Suite > >> >> (AVS), the DRBD equivalent i

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Maurice Volaski
>On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 15:00 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: >> >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 14:36 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: >> >> A disadvantage, however, is that Sun StorageTek Availability Suite >> >> (AVS), the DRBD equivalent in OpenSolaris, is much less flexible than >> >> DRBD. For exampl

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 15:00 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 14:36 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > >> A disadvantage, however, is that Sun StorageTek Availability Suite > >> (AVS), the DRBD equivalent in OpenSolaris, is much less flexible than > >> DRBD. For example, AVS is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Maurice Volaski
>On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 14:36 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: >> A disadvantage, however, is that Sun StorageTek Availability Suite >> (AVS), the DRBD equivalent in OpenSolaris, is much less flexible than >> DRBD. For example, AVS is intended to replicate in one direction, >> from a primary to a s

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Erast Benson
On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 14:36 -0400, Maurice Volaski wrote: > A disadvantage, however, is that Sun StorageTek Availability Suite > (AVS), the DRBD equivalent in OpenSolaris, is much less flexible than > DRBD. For example, AVS is intended to replicate in one direction, > from a primary to a seconda

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Maurice Volaski
>I'd like to know where the *real* advantages of Nexenta/ZFS (i.e. >ZFS/StorageTek) over DRBD/Heartbeat are. The main advantage of OpenSolaris is native ZFS, the many advantages of which are well described in many places, such as http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/zfs_last.pdf. A dis

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Erast Benson
Well, obviously - its Linux vs. OpenSolaris question. Most serious advantage of OpenSolaris is ZFS and its enterprise level storage stack. Linux just not there yet.. On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 14:51 +0200, Axel Schmalowsky wrote: > Hallo list, > > hope that so can help me on this topic. > > I'd like

[zfs-discuss] Nexenta/ZFS vs Heartbeat/DRBD

2008-09-10 Thread Axel Schmalowsky
Hallo list, hope that so can help me on this topic. I'd like to know where the *real* advantages of Nexenta/ZFS (i.e. ZFS/StorageTek) over DRBD/Heartbeat are. I'm pretty new to this topic and hence do not have enough experience to judge their respective advantages/disadvantages reasonably. Any