Re: [zfs-discuss] Large zpool design considerations

2008-07-04 Thread Marc Bevand
Chris Cosby gmail.com> writes: > > > You're backing up 40TB+ of data, increasing at 20-25% per year. > That's insane. Over time, backing up his data will require _fewer_ and fewer disks. Disk sizes increase by about 40% every year. -marc ___ zfs-dis

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large zpool design considerations

2008-07-04 Thread Henrik Johansen
Chris Cosby wrote: >I'm going down a bit of a different path with my reply here. I know that all >shops and their need for data are different, but hear me out. > >1) You're backing up 40TB+ of data, increasing at 20-25% per year. That's >insane. Perhaps it's time to look at your backup strategy no

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large zpool design considerations

2008-07-03 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, Richard Elling wrote: > > nit: SATA disks are single port, so you would need a SAS > implementation to get multipathing to the disks. This will not > significantly impact the overall availability of the data, however. > I did an availability analysis of thumper to show this.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large zpool design considerations

2008-07-03 Thread Richard Elling
Miles Nordin wrote: >> "djm" == Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> "bf" == Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > >djm> Why are you planning on using RAIDZ-2 rather than mirroring ? > > isn't MTDL sometimes shorter for mirroring than raidz2? I thi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large zpool design considerations

2008-07-03 Thread Henrik Johansen
[Richard Elling] wrote: > Don Enrique wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am looking for some best practice advice on a project that i am working on. >> >> We are looking at migrating ~40TB backup data to ZFS, with an annual data >> growth of >> 20-25%. >> >> Now, my initial plan was to create one large pool co

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large zpool design considerations

2008-07-03 Thread Miles Nordin
> "djm" == Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "bf" == Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: djm> Why are you planning on using RAIDZ-2 rather than mirroring ? isn't MTDL sometimes shorter for mirroring than raidz2? I think that is the biggest point of raidz2, is it no

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large zpool design considerations

2008-07-03 Thread Richard Elling
Don Enrique wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for some best practice advice on a project that i am working on. > > We are looking at migrating ~40TB backup data to ZFS, with an annual data > growth of > 20-25%. > > Now, my initial plan was to create one large pool comprised of X RAIDZ-2 > vdevs ( 7 +

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large zpool design considerations

2008-07-03 Thread Chris Cosby
I'm going down a bit of a different path with my reply here. I know that all shops and their need for data are different, but hear me out. 1) You're backing up 40TB+ of data, increasing at 20-25% per year. That's insane. Perhaps it's time to look at your backup strategy no from a hardware perspect

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large zpool design considerations

2008-07-03 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, Don Enrique wrote: > > This means that i potentially could loose 40TB+ of data if three > disks within the same RAIDZ-2 vdev should die before the resilvering > of at least one disk is complete. Since most disks will be filled i > do expect rather long resilvering times. Yes

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large zpool design considerations

2008-07-03 Thread Don Enrique
> Don Enrique wrote: > > Now, my initial plan was to create one large pool > comprised of X RAIDZ-2 vdevs ( 7 + 2 ) > > with one hotspare per 10 drives and just continue > to expand that pool as needed. > > > > Between calculating the MTTDL and performance > models i was hit by a rather scary thou

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large zpool design considerations

2008-07-03 Thread Darren J Moffat
Don Enrique wrote: > Now, my initial plan was to create one large pool comprised of X RAIDZ-2 > vdevs ( 7 + 2 ) > with one hotspare per 10 drives and just continue to expand that pool as > needed. > > Between calculating the MTTDL and performance models i was hit by a rather > scary thought. >

[zfs-discuss] Large zpool design considerations

2008-07-03 Thread Don Enrique
Hi, I am looking for some best practice advice on a project that i am working on. We are looking at migrating ~40TB backup data to ZFS, with an annual data growth of 20-25%. Now, my initial plan was to create one large pool comprised of X RAIDZ-2 vdevs ( 7 + 2 ) with one hotspare per 10 drives