Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-07 Thread Casper . Dik
>I'll call bull* on that. Microsoft has an admirably simple installation >and 88% of the market. Apple has another admirably simple installation >and 10% of the market. Solaris has less than 1% of the market and has >had a very complex installation process. You can't win that battle by >increa

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-07 Thread Richard Elling
Carson Gaspar wrote: Richard Elling wrote: Miles Nordin wrote: AIUI the later BE's are clones of the first, and not all blocks will be rewritten, so it's still an issue. no? In practice, yes, they are clones. But whether it is an issue depends on what the "issue" is. As I see it, the iss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-07 Thread Carson Gaspar
Richard Elling wrote: Miles Nordin wrote: AIUI the later BE's are clones of the first, and not all blocks will be rewritten, so it's still an issue. no? In practice, yes, they are clones. But whether it is an issue depends on what the "issue" is. As I see it, the issue is that someone wants

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Richard Elling
Miles Nordin wrote: "re" == Richard Elling writes: re> Note: in the Caiman world, this is only an issue for the first re> BE. Later BEs can easily have other policies. -- richard AIUI the later BE's are clones of the first, and not all blocks will be rewritten, so it's

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:54 AM, wrote: > >>On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Ellis, Mike wrote: >>> PS: At one point the old JumpStart code was encumbered, and the >>> community wasn't able to assist. I haven't looked at the next-gen >>> jumpstart framework that was delivered as part of the OpenSo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Miles Nordin
> "re" == Richard Elling writes: re> Note: in the Caiman world, this is only an issue for the first re> BE. Later BEs can easily have other policies. -- richard AIUI the later BE's are clones of the first, and not all blocks will be rewritten, so it's still an issue. no? pgpsh8Y

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Blake
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Rich Teer wrote: > On Wed, 6 May 2009, Richard Elling wrote: > >> popular interactive installers much more simplified.  I agree that >> interactive installation needs to remain as simple as possible. > > How about offering a choice an installation time: "Custom or

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Lori Alt
This sounds like a good idea to me, but it should be brought up on the caiman-disc...@opensolaris.org mailing list, since this is not just, or even primarily, a zfs issue. Lori Rich Teer wrote: On Wed, 6 May 2009, Richard Elling wrote: popular interactive installers much more simplified.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 6 May 2009, Richard Elling wrote: > popular interactive installers much more simplified. I agree that > interactive installation needs to remain as simple as possible. How about offering a choice an installation time: "Custom or default?"? Those that don't want/need the interactive flex

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Richard Elling
ound/doc-link on that new JumpStart framework? -Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Torrey McMahon Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:38 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies o

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Casper . Dik
>On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Ellis, Mike wrote: >> PS: At one point the old JumpStart code was encumbered, and the >> community wasn't able to assist. I haven't looked at the next-gen >> jumpstart framework that was delivered as part of the OpenSolaris SPARC >> preview. Can anyone provide any

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-05 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Ellis, Mike wrote: > PS: At one point the old JumpStart code was encumbered, and the > community wasn't able to assist. I haven't looked at the next-gen > jumpstart framework that was delivered as part of the OpenSolaris SPARC > preview. Can anyone provide any backg

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-05 Thread Ellis, Mike
JumpStart framework? -Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Torrey McMahon Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:38 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE Before I put on

[zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-05 Thread Torrey McMahon
Before I put one in ... anyone else seen one? Seems we support compression on the root pool but there is no way to enable it at install time outside of a custom script you run before the installer. I'm thinking it should be a real install time option, have a jumpstart keyword, etc. Same with c