Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-12 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 12, 2012, at 5:50 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: >> From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] >> >> Pedantically, a pool can be made in a file, so it works the same... > > Pool can only be made in a file, by a system that is able to cre

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
Jim, I'm trying to contact you off-list, but it doesn't seem to be working. Can you please contact me off-list? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-12 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-12 16:50, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) пишет: So he's looking for a way to do a "zfs receive" on a linux system, transported over ssh. Suggested answers so far include building a VM on the receiving side, to run openindiana (or whatever) or using zfs-fuse

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] > > Pedantically, a pool can be made in a file, so it works the same... Pool can only be made in a file, by a system that is able to create a pool. Point is, his receiving system runs linux and doesn't have any zfs; his receiving system

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-11 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 11, 2012, at 6:03 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: >> From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] >> >> Read it again he asked, "On that note, is there a minimal user-mode zfs thing >> that would allow >> receiving a stream into an image fil

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] > > Read it again he asked, "On that note, is there a minimal user-mode zfs thing > that would allow > receiving a stream into an image file?"  Something like: > zfs send ... | ssh user@host "cat > file" He didn't say he wanted to cat

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-10 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 10, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: >> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- >> boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Richard Elling >> If the recipient system doesn't support "zfs receive," [...] >>> >>>

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-10 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Richard Elling > > >> If the recipient system doesn't support "zfs receive," [...] > > > > On that note, is there a minimal user-mode zfs thing that would allow > > receiving a stream into an i

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-08 Thread Tiernan OToole
Cool beans lads. Thanks! On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Ian Collins wrote: > On 10/08/12 20:08, Tiernan OToole wrote: > >> Ok, so, after reading a bit more of this discussion and after playing >> around at the weekend, i have a couple of questions to ask... >> >> 1: Do my pools need to be the s

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-08 Thread Ian Collins
On 10/08/12 20:08, Tiernan OToole wrote: Ok, so, after reading a bit more of this discussion and after playing around at the weekend, i have a couple of questions to ask... 1: Do my pools need to be the same? for example, the pool in the datacenter is 2 1Tb drives in Mirror. in house i have 5

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-08 Thread Tiernan OToole
Ok, so, after reading a bit more of this discussion and after playing around at the weekend, i have a couple of questions to ask... 1: Do my pools need to be the same? for example, the pool in the datacenter is 2 1Tb drives in Mirror. in house i have 5 200Gb virtual drives in RAIDZ1, giving 800Gb

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-07 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 7, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Johannes Totz wrote: > On 05/10/2012 15:01, Edward Ned Harvey > (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: >>> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- >>> boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole >>> >>> I am in the process of pl

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-07 Thread Johannes Totz
On 05/10/2012 15:01, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: >> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- >> boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole >> >> I am in the process of planning a system which will have 2 ZFS >> servers, one on s

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Frank Cusack
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Ian Collins wrote: > I do have a lot of what would appear to be unnecessary filesystems, but > after loosing the WAN 3 days into a large transfer, a change of tactic was > required! > I've recently (last year or so) gone the other way, and have made an effort to c

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Ian Collins
On 10/06/12 07:57, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Frank Cusack On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Ian Collins wrote: I do have to suffer a slow, glitchy WAN to a re

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Frank Cusack > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Ian Collins wrote: > I do have to suffer a slow, glitchy WAN to a remote server and rather than > send stream files, I broke the data on the re

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Frank Cusack
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Ian Collins wrote: > I do have to suffer a slow, glitchy WAN to a remote server and rather than > send stream files, I broke the data *on the remote server* into a more > fine grained set of filesystems than I would do normally. In this case, I > made the director

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tiernan OToole > > I am in the process of planning a system which will have 2 ZFS servers, one on > site, one off site. The on site server will be used by workstations and > servers > in house

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Tiernan OToole
Thanks Ian. That sounds like an option also. The plan was to break up the file systems anyway, since some i will want to be replicated remotely, and others not as much. --Tiernan On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Ian Collins wrote: > On 10/05/12 21:36, Jim Klimov wrote: > >> 2012-10-05 11:17, Ti

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Ian Collins
On 10/05/12 21:36, Jim Klimov wrote: 2012-10-05 11:17, Tiernan OToole wrote: Also, as a follow up question, but slightly unrelated, when it comes to the ZFS Send, i could use SSH to do the send, directly to the machine... Or i could upload the compressed, and possibly encrypted dump to the serve

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Tiernan OToole
Thanks again Jim. Very handy info. This is now my weekend project, so hopefully things go well! --Tiernan On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: > 2012-10-05 13:13, Tiernan OToole wrote: > >> Thanks for that Jim! >> >> Sounds like a plan there... One question about the storing ZFS d

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-05 13:13, Tiernan OToole wrote: Thanks for that Jim! Sounds like a plan there... One question about the storing ZFS dumps in a file... So, the idea of storing the data in a SFTP server which has an unknown underlying file system... Is that defiantly off limits, or can it be done? Milea

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Tiernan OToole
Thanks for that Jim! Sounds like a plan there... One question about the storing ZFS dumps in a file... So, the idea of storing the data in a SFTP server which has an unknown underlying file system... Is that defiantly off limits, or can it be done? and should i be doing a full dump or just an incr

Re: [zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-05 11:17, Tiernan OToole wrote: Also, as a follow up question, but slightly unrelated, when it comes to the ZFS Send, i could use SSH to do the send, directly to the machine... Or i could upload the compressed, and possibly encrypted dump to the server... Which, for resume-ability and spe

[zfs-discuss] Building an On-Site and Off-Size ZFS server, replication question

2012-10-05 Thread Tiernan OToole
Good morning. I am in the process of planning a system which will have 2 ZFS servers, one on site, one off site. The on site server will be used by workstations and servers in house, and most of that will stay in house. There will, however, be data i want backed up somewhere else, which is where t