Re: [zfs-discuss] vm server storage mirror

2012-09-26 Thread matthew patton
"head units" crash or do weird things, but disks persist. There are a couple of HA head-unit solutions out there but most of them have their own separate storage and they effectively just send transaction groups to each other. The other way is to connect 2 nodes to an external SAS/FC chassis. cr

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 RIP

2010-11-08 Thread matthew patton
> I have this with 36 2TB drives (and 2 separate boot drives). > > http://www.colfax-intl.com/jlrid/SpotLight_more_Acc.asp?L=134&S=58&B=2267 That's just a Supermicro SC847. http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/4U/?chs=847 Stay away from the 24 port expander backplanes. I've gone thru sever

Re: [zfs-discuss] Snapshots and Data Loss

2010-04-20 Thread matthew patton
Geoff Nordli wrote: > With our particular use case we are going to do a "save > state" on their > virtual machines, which is going to write  100-400 MB > per VM via CIFS or > NFS, then we take a snapshot of the volume, which > guarantees we get a > consistent copy of their VM. maybe you left out

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to Catch ZFS error with syslog?

2010-04-12 Thread matthew patton
> > Please can this be on by default? Please? > > There are some situations where many reports may be sent > per second so > it is not necessarily a wise idea for this to be enabled by > default. Every implementation of Syslog worth a damn has automatic message throttling and coalescing. This

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when unmirrored ZIL log device is removed ungracefully

2010-04-10 Thread matthew patton
Thanks for the testing. so FINALLY with version > 19 does ZFS demonstrate production-ready status in my book. How long is it going to take Solaris to catch up? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.or

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced drives

2010-02-23 Thread matthew patton
For those who are interested in some of the options out there. DIY DAS: Supermicro 36 bay case - $1800 Promise 16 bay JBOD VTrak J610sD - $3700 Promise VTE610sD - $7500 (SAS attached head unit with onboard raid controllers, takes JBOD expansion) The following apply to 1TB SATA drive configuratio

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced

2010-02-09 Thread matthew patton
> It might help people to understand how ridiculous they > sound going on and on > about buying a premium storage appliance without any > storage. Since I started this, let me explain to those who can't begin to understand why I proposed something so "stupid". At work (branch of a federal gov't b

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced drives

2010-02-01 Thread matthew patton
> charge a premium for their products but they ARE a > enterprise vendor. You > wouldn't say something like "hey, where can i buy a Ferrari > without any > wheels...i'm not paying x amount for a silly aluminum > wheel" true. but I buy a Ferrari for the engine and bodywork and chassis engineering

Re: [zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced drives

2010-02-01 Thread matthew patton
> charge a premium for their products but they ARE a > enterprise vendor.  You > wouldn't say something like "hey, where can i buy a Ferrari > without any > wheels...i'm not paying x amount for a silly aluminum > wheel" true. but I buy a Ferrari for the engine and bodywork and chassis engineering

[zfs-discuss] verging OT: how to buy J4500 w/o overpriced drives

2010-02-01 Thread matthew patton
what with the home NAS conversations, what's the trick to buy a J4500 without any drives? SUN like every other "enterprise" storage vendor thinks it's ok to rape their customers and I for one, am not interested in paying 10x for a silly SATA hard drive. _

[zfs-discuss] why checksum data?

2010-01-30 Thread matthew patton
please forgive the 'stupid' question. Aside from having a convenient hash table of checksums to consult and upon detection of a collision knowing we are dealing with a duplicate, why checksum data when the memory bus, PCI-e/x bus, sata/sas bus, and the hard disk itself use Reed-Solomon (or simi

Re: [zfs-discuss] experience with sata p-m's?

2010-01-25 Thread matthew patton
the proper solution to out of control cabling is ML cables. However, aside from the Supermicro 8-in-2 type of pseudo-enclosures nobody seems to make them for the typical consumer use. You can get 12 or 16 drive backplanes that use ML cables but they are necessarily wed to a particular chassis.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best 1.5TB drives for consumer RAID?

2010-01-25 Thread matthew patton
With the absolutely deplorable reliability of drives >1TB why would one even waste their money? The 500GB RE2/3 and NS drives are very reliable and <$.12/gb. I get new drives off ebay all the time. NAS speed is all about spindles. 6 spindles will always outrun a setup with 3. Almost any mid-siz

Re: [zfs-discuss] rethinking RaidZ and Record size

2010-01-04 Thread matthew patton
Chris Siebenmann wrote: > People have already mentioned the RAID-[56] write hole, > but it's more > than that; in a never-overwrite system with multiple blocks > in one RAID > stripe, how do you handle updates to some of the blocks? > > See: >     http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/solar

[zfs-discuss] rethinking RaidZ and Record size

2010-01-03 Thread matthew patton
I find it baffling that RaidZ(2,3) was designed to split a record-size block into N (N=# of member devices) pieces and send the uselessly tiny requests to spinning rust when we know the massive delays entailed in head seeks and rotational delay. The ZFS-mirror and load-balanced configuration do