Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: simple Raid-Z question

2007-04-08 Thread Ed Gould
Eric Haycraft wrote: Since no one seems to believe that you can expand a raidz pool, I have attached the following output from solaris 11/06 showing me doing just that. The first expanision is with like sized disks, and the second expansion is with larger disks. I realize that the documentation o

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-19 Thread Ed Gould
Richard Elling wrote: warning: noun/verb overload. In my context, swap is a verb. It is also a common shorthand for "swap space." -- --Ed begin:vcard fn:Ed Gould n:Gould;Ed org:Sun Microsystems, Inc.;Solaris Cluster adr;dom:M/S UMPK17-201;;17 Network Circle;Menlo Park;CA;94025 email;in

[zfs-discuss] ZFS tie-breaking

2007-02-12 Thread Ed Gould
Consider the following scenario involving various failures. We have a zpool composed of a simple mirror of two devices D0 and D1 (these may be local disks, slices, LUNs on a SAN, or whatever). For the sake of this scenario, it's probably most intuitive to think of them as LUNs on a SAN. Init

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 26, 2007, at 13:53, Paul Fisher wrote: This seems to be from Jim and on point: http://www.usenix.org/event/fast05/tech/gray.pdf Yes, thanks. That's the talk I was referring to. There's a reference in it to a Microsoft tech report with measurement data. --Ed ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 26, 2007, at 13:29, Selim Daoud wrote: it would be good to have real data and not only guess ot anecdots Yes, I agree. I'm sorry I don't have the data that Jim presented at FAST, but he did present actual data. Richard Elling (I believe it was Richard) has also posted some related da

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 26, 2007, at 13:16, Dana H. Myers wrote: I would tend to expect these spurious events to impact read and write equally; more specifically, the chance of any one read or write being mis-addressed is about the same. Since, AFAIK, there are many more reads from a disk typically than writes,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 26, 2007, at 12:52, Dana H. Myers wrote: So this leaves me wondering how often the controller/drive subsystem reads data from the wrong sector of the drive without notice; is it symmetrical with respect to writing, and thus about once a drive/year, or are there factors which change this?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 26, 2007, at 12:13, Richard Elling wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:05:17AM -0800, Ed Gould wrote: A number that I've been quoting, albeit without a good reference, comes from Jim Gray, who has been around the data-management industry for longer than I have (and I've be

Re: [zfs-discuss] multihosted ZFS

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 26, 2007, at 10:52, Marion Hakanson wrote: Perhaps I'm stating the obvious, but here goes: You could use SAN zoning of the affected LUN's to keep multiple hosts from seeing the zpool. When failover time comes, you change the zoning to make the LUN's visible to the new host, then import.

Re: [zfs-discuss] A little different look at filesystems ... Just looking for ideas

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 26, 2007, at 10:57, Ross, Gary (G.A.) wrote: ... What if something like the old CacheFS was revived, using ZFS as the base file system instead of UFS? ... Could this be a good thing, or am I way off base??? Disconnected operation is a hard problem. One of the better research efforts

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 26, 2007, at 9:42, Gary Mills wrote: How does this work in an environment with storage that's centrally- managed and shared between many servers? I'm putting together a new IMAP server that will eventually use 3TB of space from our Netapp via an iSCSI SAN. The Netapp provides all of the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: multihosted ZFS

2007-01-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 26, 2007, at 7:17, Peter Eriksson wrote: If you _boot_ the original machine then it should see that the pool now is "owned" by the other host and ignore it (you'd have to do a "zpool import -f" again I think). Not tested though so don't take my word for it... Conceptually, that's about

Re: [zfs-discuss] External drive enclosures + Sun Server for mass storage

2007-01-20 Thread Ed Gould
Shannon Roddy wrote: For sun to charge 4-8 times street price for hard drives that they order just the same as I do from the same manufacturers that I order from is infuriating. Are you sure they're really the same drives? Mechanically, they probably are, but last I knew (I don't work in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Distributed FS

2007-01-08 Thread Ed Gould
Ivan wrote: Hi, Is ZFS comparable to PVFS2? Could it also be used as an distributed filesystem at the moment or are there any plans for this in the future? I don't know anything at all about PVFS2, so I can't comment on that point. As far as ZFS being used as a distributed file system, it c

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: !

2006-12-22 Thread Ed Gould
On Dec 22, 2006, at 09:50, Anton B. Rang wrote: Phantom writes and/or misdirected reads/writes: I haven't seen probabilities published on this; obviously the disk vendors would claim zero, but we believe they're slightly wrong. ;-) That said, 1 in 10^8 bits would mean we’d have an error

Re: [zfs-discuss] A Plea for Help: Thumper/ZFS/NFS/B43

2006-12-09 Thread Ed Gould
On Dec 9, 2006, at 8:59 , Jim Mauro wrote: AnywayI'm feeling rather naive' here, but I've seen the "NFS enforced synchronous semantics" phrase kicked around many times as the explanation for suboptimal performance for metadata-intensive operations when ZFS is the underlying file system, bu

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored Raidz

2006-10-20 Thread Ed Gould
On Oct 20, 2006, at 0:48, Torrey McMahon wrote: Anthony Miller wrote: I want to create create a raidz on one array and have it mirrored to the other array. Do you think this will get you more availability compared to a simple mirror? I'm curious as to why you would want to do this. This con

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread Ed Gould
On Sep 8, 2006, at 11:35, Torrey McMahon wrote: If I read between the lines here I think you're saying that the raid functionality is in the chipset but the management can only be done by software running on the outside. (Right?) No. All that's in the chipset is enough to read a RAID volume f

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread Ed Gould
On Sep 8, 2006, at 9:33, Richard Elling - PAE wrote: I was looking for a new AM2 socket motherboard a few weeks ago. All of the ones I looked at had 2xIDE and 4xSATA with onboard (SATA) RAID. All were less than $150. In other words, the days of having a JBOD-only solution are over except for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can a zfs storage pool be imported readonly?

2006-08-30 Thread Ed Gould
oab wrote: I'm new to ZFS so I was wondering if it is possible to concurrently share a ZFS storage pool between two separate machines. I am currently evaluating Sybase IQ running on ZFS rather than raw devices(initial performance tests look very promising) and need now to evaluate whether the IQ

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposal: zfs create -o

2006-08-15 Thread Ed Gould
Brian Hechinger wrote: Could you "mix and match" by keeping the current style assuming there are no -o options present? # zfs create pool/fs If you need to specify options, then they should all be options: # zfs create -o name=pool/fs -o mountpoint=/bar -o etc I would be tempted to have two

Re: [zfs-discuss] Big JBOD: what would you do?

2006-07-18 Thread Ed Gould
On Jul 18, 2006, at 8:58, Richard Elling wrote: Jeff Bonwick wrote: For 6 disks, 3x2-way RAID-1+0 offers better resiliency than RAID-Z or RAID-Z2. Maybe I'm missing something, but it ought to be the other way around. With 6 disks, RAID-Z2 can tolerate any two disk failures, whereas for 3x2-way

[zfs-discuss] Re: PSARC 2006/288 zpool history

2006-05-03 Thread Ed Gould
On May 3, 2006, at 15:21, eric kustarz wrote: There's basically two writes that need to happen: one for time and one for the subcommand string. The kernel just needs to make sure if a write completes, the data is parseable (has a delimiter). Its then up to the userland parser (zpool history)

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs over a bunch of machines.

2006-05-03 Thread Ed Gould
not tested, partly because all of the required pieces are not yet in place) is exporting the drives via iSCSI. Of course, this can't be done until both initiator and target support for iSCSI are in Solaris, and I don't know what the schedule for that might be.

Re: [zfs-discuss] 'zpool history' proposal

2006-05-03 Thread Ed Gould
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