Re: [zfs-discuss] Running on Dell hardware?

2010-12-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey > > But a few days ago, Dell released a new firmware upgrade, from version 5.x > to 4.x. That's right. The new firmware is a downgrade to 4. > > I am going to remove my int

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Joerg Schilling [mailto:joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de] > > > Problem is... Oracle is now the only company in the world who's immune > to netapp lawsuit over ZFS. Even if IBM and Dell and HP wanted to band > together and fund the open-source development of ZFS and openindiana... > I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Dickon Hood
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 00:17:08 +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: : If you have substancial information on why NetApp may rightfully own a patent : that is essential for ZFS, I would be interested to get this information. Trivial: the US patent system is fundamentally broken, so owning patents on m

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Dickon Hood
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 13:22:28 -0500, Miles Nordin wrote: : The only thing missing is ZFS. To me it looks like a good replacement : for that is years away. I'm not excited about ocfs, or about kernel : module ZFS ports taking advantage of the Linus kmod ``interpretation'' : and the grub GPLv3

Re: [zfs-discuss] snaps lost in space?

2010-12-11 Thread Brandon High
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Joost Mulders wrote: > Right now there's no way to tell what snapshots to delete to get the space > back. Only way is to delete a snapshot and then see if a USED of snap > increased. AFAIK Netapp has a similar problem with their display too, in that it only show

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Joerg Schilling < joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote: > Tim Cook wrote: > > > > I don't believe that there is a significant risk as the NetApp patents > are > > > invalid because of prior art. > > > > > > > > You are not a court of law, and that statement

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Tim Cook wrote: > > I don't believe that there is a significant risk as the NetApp patents are > > invalid because of prior art. > > > > > You are not a court of law, and that statement has not been tested. It is > your opinion and nothing more. I'd appreciate if every time you repeated > that

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Joerg Schilling < joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote: > Edward Ned Harvey > wrote: > > > Problem is... Oracle is now the only company in the world who's immune > to netapp lawsuit over ZFS. Even if IBM and Dell and HP wanted to band > together and fund t

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Garrett D'Amore
We have ZFS version 28. Whether we ever get another open source update of ZFS from *Oracle* is at this point doubtful. However, I will point out that there are a lot of former Oracle engineers, including both inventors of ZFS and many of the people who have worked on it over the years, who ar

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > Problem is... Oracle is now the only company in the world who's immune to > netapp lawsuit over ZFS. Even if IBM and Dell and HP wanted to band together > and fund the open-source development of ZFS and openindiana... It's a real > risk. I don't believe that ther

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Frank Van Damme > > And if they don't, it will be Sad, both in terms of useful code not > being available to a wide community to review and amend, as in terms > of Oracle not really getting the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Miles Nordin
> "et" == Erik Trimble writes: et> In that case, can I be the first to say "PANIC! RUN FOR THE et> HILLS!" Erik I thought most people already understood pushing to the public hg gate had stopped at b147, hence Illumos and OpenIndiana. it's not that you're wrong, just that you shoul

[zfs-discuss] What performance to expect from mirror vdevs?

2010-12-11 Thread Stephan Budach
Hi, on friday I received two of my new fc raids, that I intended to use as my new zpool devices. These devices are from CiDesign and their type/model is iR16FC4ER. These are fc raids, that also allow JBOD operation, which is what I chose. So I configured 16 raid groups on each system and con

Re: [zfs-discuss] Running on Dell hardware?

2010-12-11 Thread Stephan Budach
Am 10.12.10 19:13, schrieb Edward Ned Harvey: From: Edward Ned Harvey [mailto:sh...@nedharvey.com] It has been over 3 weeks now, with no crashes, and me doing everything I can to get it to crash again. So I'm going to call this one resolved... All I did was disable the built-in Broadcom netwo

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Alex Blewitt
On Dec 11, 2010, at 14:15, Frank Van Damme wrote: 2010/12/10 Freddie Cash : On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: It's been a while since I last heard anybody say anything about this. What's the latest version of publicly released ZFS? Has oracle made it closed-sourc

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Frank Van Damme
2010/12/10 Freddie Cash : > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Edward Ned Harvey > wrote: >> It's been a while since I last heard anybody say anything about this. >> What's the latest version of publicly released ZFS?  Has oracle made it >> closed-source moving forward? >> >> Nexenta ... openindiana

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Erik Trimble
On 12/11/2010 3:59 AM, casper@sun.com wrote: ransfer-encoding: 7BIT On 11/12/2010 00:07, Erik Trimble wrote: The last update I see to the ZFS public tree is 29 Oct 2010. Which, I *think*, is about the time that the fork for the Solaris 11 Express snapshot was taken. I don't think this i

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Casper . Dik
ransfer-encoding: 7BIT > >On 11/12/2010 00:07, Erik Trimble wrote: >> >> The last update I see to the ZFS public tree is 29 Oct 2010. Which, >> I *think*, is about the time that the fork for the Solaris 11 Express >> snapshot was taken. >> > >I don't think this is the case. >Although all the fi

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 11/12/2010 00:07, Erik Trimble wrote: The last update I see to the ZFS public tree is 29 Oct 2010. Which, I *think*, is about the time that the fork for the Solaris 11 Express snapshot was taken. I don't think this is the case. Although all the files show modification date of 29 Oct 2

[zfs-discuss] raidz recovery

2010-12-11 Thread Gareth de Vaux
Hi all, I'm trying to simulate a drive failure and recovery on a raidz array. I'm able to do so using 'replace', but this requires an extra disk that was not part of the array. How do you manage when you don't have or need an extra disk yet? For example when I 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad6', or phy