Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Casper . Dik
>This would require a low-level re-format and would significantly >reduce the available space if it was possible at all. I don't think it is possible. >> WD has a jumper, >>but is there explicitly to work with WindowsXP, and is not a real way >>to dumb down the drive to 512. > >All it does is

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Casper . Dik
>Changing the sector size (if it's possible at all) would require a >reformat of the drive. The WD drives only support a 4K sector but they pretend to have 512byte sectors. I don't think they need to format the drive when changing to 4K sectors. A non-aligned write requires a read-modify-writ

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Richard Elling
ZFS already aligns the beginning of data areas to 4KB offsets from the label. For modern OpenSolaris and Solaris implementations, the default starting block for partitions is also aligned to 4KB. On Oct 5, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Michael DeMan wrote: > Hi upfront, and thanks for the valuable informati

Re: [zfs-discuss] invalid vdev configuration after power failure

2010-10-05 Thread diyanc
Kyle Kakligian gmail.com> writes: > I'm not sure why `zfs import` choked on this [typical?] error case, > but its easy to fix with a very careful dd. I took a different and > very roundabout approach to recover my data, however, since I'm not > confident in my 'careful' skills. (after all, where

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Michael DeMan
Hi upfront, and thanks for the valuable information. On Oct 5, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: >> Another annoying thing with the whole 4K sector size, is what happens >> when you need to replace drives next year, or the year after? > > About the only mitigation needed is to ensure that a

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2010-Oct-06 05:59:06 +0800, Michael DeMan wrote: >Another annoying thing with the whole 4K sector size, is what happens >when you need to replace drives next year, or the year after? About the only mitigation needed is to ensure that any partitioning is based on multiples of 4KB. > Does >any

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Michael DeMan wrote: The WD 1TB 'enterprise' drives are still 512 sector size and safe to use, who knows though, maybe they just started shipping with 4K sector size as I write this e-mail? Another annoying thing with the whole 4K sector size, is what happens when you need to replace drives n

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs volume snapshot

2010-10-05 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 4, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Wei Li wrote: > Hi All, > > If a ZFS volume is presented to LDOM guest domain as whole disk (used as root > disk), does anyone know how to snapshot it? It is something like how to > snapshot zfs raw volume (NOTE, no ufs file system directly created on ZFS > volume i

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 5, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Michael DeMan wrote: > > On Oct 5, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > >>> Western Digital RE3 WD1002FBYS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal >>> Hard Drive -Bare Drive >>> >>> are only $129. >>> >>> vs. $89 for the 'regular' black drives. >>> >>> 45

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Michael DeMan
On Oct 5, 2010, at 2:47 PM, casper@sun.com wrote: > > > I've seen several important features when selecting a drive for > a mirror: > > TLER (the ability of the drive to timeout a command) > sector size (native vs virtual) > power use (specifically at home) > perform

Re: [zfs-discuss] tagged ACL groups: let's just keep digging until we come out the other side

2010-10-05 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 02:28:18PM -0400, Miles Nordin wrote: > > "nw" == Nicolas Williams writes: > > nw> I would think that 777 would invite chmods. I think you are > nw> handwaving. > > it is how AFS worked. Since no file on a normal unix box besides /tmp But would the AFS expe

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Casper . Dik
>My immediate reaction to this is "time to avoid WD drives for a while"; >until things shake out and we know what's what reliably. > >But, um, what do we know about say the Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ($70), >the SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB ($75), or the HITACHI Deskstar 1TB 3.5" >($70)? I've seen s

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Tim Cook
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > > Western Digital RE3 WD1002FBYS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal > > Hard Drive -Bare Drive > > > > are only $129. > > > > vs. $89 for the 'regular' black drives. > > > > 45% higher price, but it is my understanding that the 'RA

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Tue, October 5, 2010 15:30, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > I just discovered WD Black drives are rumored not to be set to allow TLER. > Does anyone know how much performance impact the lack of TLER might have > on a large pool? Choosing Enterprise drives will cost about 60% more, and > on a la

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Michael DeMan
On Oct 5, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: >> Western Digital RE3 WD1002FBYS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal >> Hard Drive -Bare Drive >> >> are only $129. >> >> vs. $89 for the 'regular' black drives. >> >> 45% higher price, but it is my understanding that the 'RAID Editi

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
> Western Digital RE3 WD1002FBYS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal > Hard Drive -Bare Drive > > are only $129. > > vs. $89 for the 'regular' black drives. > > 45% higher price, but it is my understanding that the 'RAID Edition' > ones also are physically constructed for longer life, lower

Re: [zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Michael DeMan
I'm not sure on the TLER issues by themselves, but after the nightmares I have gone through dealing with the 'green drives', which have both the TLER issue and the IntelliPower head parking issues, I would just stay away from it all entirely and pay extra for the 'RAID Editiion' drives. Just ou

[zfs-discuss] TLER and ZFS

2010-10-05 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Hi all I just discovered WD Black drives are rumored not to be set to allow TLER. Does anyone know how much performance impact the lack of TLER might have on a large pool? Choosing Enterprise drives will cost about 60% more, and on a large install, that means a lot of money... Vennlige hilsene

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS crypto bug status change

2010-10-05 Thread Miles Nordin
> "dm" == David Magda writes: dm> Thank you Mr. Moffat et al. Hopefully the rest of us will be dm> able to bang on this at some point. :) Thanks for the heads-up on the gossip. This etiquette seems weird, though: I don't thank Microsoft for releasing a new version of Word. I'll p

[zfs-discuss] Long import due to spares.

2010-10-05 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Just for history as to why Fishworks was running on this box...we were in the beta program and have upgraded along the way. This box is an X4240 with 16x 146GB disks running the Feb 2010 release of FW with de-dupe. We were getting ready to re-purpose the box and getting our data off. We then delet

Re: [zfs-discuss] moving newly created pool to alternate host

2010-10-05 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Sridhar, After a zpool split operation, you can access the newly created pool by using the zpool import command. If the LUNs from mypool are available on host1 and host2, you should be able to import mypool_snap from host2. After mypool_snap is imported, it will be available for backups, but

Re: [zfs-discuss] Migrating to an aclmode-less world

2010-10-05 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 04:30:05PM -0600, Cindy Swearingen wrote: > Hi Simon, > > I don't think you will see much difference for these reasons: > > 1. The CIFS server ignores the aclinherit/aclmode properties. Because CIFS/SMB has no chmod operation :) > 2. Your aclinherit=passthrough setting o

[zfs-discuss] moving newly created pool to alternate host

2010-10-05 Thread sridhar surampudi
Hi, If have below kind of configuration (as an example): c1t1d1 and c2t2d2 are two LUNs visible (un masked) to both host1 and host2. Created a pool mypool as below zpool create mypool mirror c1t1d1 c2t2d2 Now I did zpool split zpool split mypool mypool_snap Once i run zpool split, is t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Migrating to an aclmode-less world

2010-10-05 Thread Simon Breden
Hi Cindy, That sounds very reassuring. Thanks a lot. Simon -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Resilver endlessly restarting at completion

2010-10-05 Thread Tuomas Leikola
This seems to have been a false alarm, sorry for that. As soon as I started paying attention (logging zpool status, peeking around with zdb & mdb) the resilver didn't restart unless provoked. A cleartext log would have been nice ("restarted due to c11t7 becoming online"). A slight problem i can se