Re: [zfs-discuss] Who owns the dataset?

2010-07-16 Thread Frank Cusack
On 7/16/10 4:33 PM -0700 Johnson Earls wrote: On 07/16/10 10:30 AM, Lori Alt wrote: You can also run through the zones, doing 'zoneconfig -z info' commands to look for datasets delegated to each zone. That's not necessarily the current owner though, is it?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Who owns the dataset?

2010-07-16 Thread Johnson Earls
Lori, Thanks for the reply. By "floating" I mean we have a set of scripts that will shut down a zone, export all the ZFS pools attached to that zone, modify the zone config to not have those datasets associated anymore, then, on another system, import the ZFS pools, modify the new zone's confi

Re: [zfs-discuss] preparing for future drive additions

2010-07-16 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 14, 2010, at 11:44 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: > On Wed, July 14, 2010 14:58, Daniel Taylor wrote: > >> I'm about the build a opensolaris NAS system, currently we have two drives >> and are planning on adding two more at a later date (2TB enterprise level >> HDD are a bit expensive!). > >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Is there any support for bi-directional synchronization in zfs?

2010-07-16 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 14, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Peter Taps wrote: > Folks, > > This is probably a very naive question. > > Is it possible to set zfs for bi-directional synchronization of data across > two locations? I am thinking this is almost impossible. Consider two files A > and B at two different sites. Ther

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-16 Thread Frank Cusack
On 7/16/10 3:07 PM -0500 David Dyer-Bennet wrote: On Fri, July 16, 2010 14:07, Frank Cusack wrote: On 7/16/10 12:02 PM -0500 David Dyer-Bennet wrote: It would be nice to have applications request to be notified before a snapshot is taken, and when that have requested notification have acknowle

Re: [zfs-discuss] Recommended RAM for ZFS on various platforms

2010-07-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Sam Fourman Jr." wrote: > using FreeBSD 9 w/ ZFSv15 using default settings, nothing in loader.conf > or nothing in sysctl.conf and a GENERIC kernel > > 12GB of memory seems to be all ZFS wanted to use, I have tried > machines with 32GB > but zfs never wants to use more unless you play with loade

Re: [zfs-discuss] Recommended RAM for ZFS on various platforms

2010-07-16 Thread Sam Fourman Jr.
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Michael Johnson wrote: > I'm currently planning on running FreeBSD with ZFS, but I wanted to > double-check > how much memory I'd need for it to be stable.  The ZFS wiki currently says you > can go as low as 1 GB, but recommends 2 GB; however, elsewhere I've seen

Re: [zfs-discuss] Recommended RAM for ZFS on various platforms

2010-07-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Michael Johnson wrote: Just curious, why do you say I'd be able to get away with less RAM in FreeBSD (as compared to NexentaStor, I'm assuming)? I don't know tons about the OSs in question; is FreeBSD just leaner in general? The FreeBSD OS itself is normally leaner but Fr

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Fri, July 16, 2010 14:07, Frank Cusack wrote: > On 7/16/10 12:02 PM -0500 David Dyer-Bennet wrote: >>> It would be nice to have applications request to be notified >>> before a snapshot is taken, and when that have requested >>> notification have acknowledged that they're ready, the snapshot >>

Re: [zfs-discuss] Recommended RAM for ZFS on various platforms

2010-07-16 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 11:57 -0700, Michael Johnson wrote: > us, why do you say I'd be able to get away with less RAM in FreeBSD > (as compared to NexentaStor, I'm assuming)? I don't know tons about > the OSs in > question; is FreeBSD just leaner in general? Compared to Solaris, in my estimatio

Re: [zfs-discuss] 1tb SATA drives

2010-07-16 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Arne Jansen wrote: Jordan McQuown wrote: I’m curious to know what other people are running for HD’s in white box systems? I’m currently looking at Seagate Barracuda’s and Hitachi Deskstars. I’m looking at the 1tb models. These will be attached to an LSI expander in a sc847e2 chassis driven by

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-16 Thread Frank Cusack
On 7/16/10 12:02 PM -0500 David Dyer-Bennet wrote: It would be nice to have applications request to be notified before a snapshot is taken, and when that have requested notification have acknowledged that they're ready, the snapshot would be taken; and then another notification sent that it was t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Recommended RAM for ZFS on various platforms

2010-07-16 Thread Freddie Cash
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Michael Johnson wrote: > I'm currently planning on running FreeBSD with ZFS, but I wanted to > double-check > how much memory I'd need for it to be stable.  The ZFS wiki currently says you > can go as low as 1 GB, but recommends 2 GB; however, elsewhere I've seen

Re: [zfs-discuss] Recommended RAM for ZFS on various platforms

2010-07-16 Thread Michael Johnson
Garrett D'Amore wrote: >On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 10:24 -0700, Michael Johnson wrote: >> I'm currently planning on running FreeBSD with ZFS, but I wanted to >>double-check >> how much memory I'd need for it to be stable. The ZFS wiki currently says >you >> can go as low as 1 GB, but recommends 2 G

Re: [zfs-discuss] 1tb SATA drives

2010-07-16 Thread Arne Jansen
Jordan McQuown wrote: I’m curious to know what other people are running for HD’s in white box systems? I’m currently looking at Seagate Barracuda’s and Hitachi Deskstars. I’m looking at the 1tb models. These will be attached to an LSI expander in a sc847e2 chassis driven by an LSI 9211-8i HBA.

[zfs-discuss] 1tb SATA drives

2010-07-16 Thread Jordan McQuown
I'm curious to know what other people are running for HD's in white box systems? I'm currently looking at Seagate Barracuda's and Hitachi Deskstars. I'm looking at the 1tb models. These will be attached to an LSI expander in a sc847e2 chassis driven by an LSI 9211-8i HBA. This system will be use

Re: [zfs-discuss] Recommended RAM for ZFS on various platforms

2010-07-16 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Garrett D'Amore wrote: Btw, instead of RAIDZ2, I'd recommend simply using stripe of mirrors. You'll have better performance, and good resilience against errors. And you can grow later as you need to by just adding additional drive pairs. -- Garrett Or in my case, I find my home dat

Re: [zfs-discuss] Recommended RAM for ZFS on various platforms

2010-07-16 Thread Garrett D'Amore
1GB isn't enough for a real system. 2GB is a bare minimum. If you're going to use dedup, plan on a *lot* more. I think 4 or 8 GB are good for a typical desktop or home NAS setup. With FreeBSD you may be able to get away with less. (Probably, in fact.) Btw, instead of RAIDZ2, I'd recommend sim

[zfs-discuss] Recommended RAM for ZFS on various platforms

2010-07-16 Thread Michael Johnson
I'm currently planning on running FreeBSD with ZFS, but I wanted to double-check how much memory I'd need for it to be stable. The ZFS wiki currently says you can go as low as 1 GB, but recommends 2 GB; however, elsewhere I've seen someone claim that you need at least 4 GB. Does anyone here

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-16 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Fri, July 16, 2010 08:39, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >> > It'd be handy to have a mechanism where >> applications could register for >> > snapshot notifications. When one is about to >> happen, they could be told >> > about it and do what they need to do. Once all the >> applications have >> >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Who owns the dataset?

2010-07-16 Thread Lori Alt
On 07/14/10 05:45 PM, Johnson Earls wrote: Hello, How would I go about finding out which zone owns a particular dataset from a script running in the global zone? We have some ZFS datasets that can "float" between zones on different servers in order to provide a manual application failov

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshot notification [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-16 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 16, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > Of course, another approach would be for a zfs aware app to be > keeping its storage on a dedicated filesystem or zvol, and itself > control when snapshots were taken of that. As lightweight as > zvols and filesystems are under zfs, having

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send : invalid option 'R'

2010-07-16 Thread Wenhwa Liu
The build is : Solaris 10 8/07 s10s_u4wos_12b SPARC zfs version: v4 VER DESCRIPTION --- 1 Initial ZFS version 2 Ditto blocks (replicated metadata) 3 Hot spares and double parity RAID-Z 4 zpool history thanks, wen Brandon High

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-16 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> > It'd be handy to have a mechanism where > applications could register for > > snapshot notifications. When one is about to > happen, they could be told > > about it and do what they need to do. Once all the > applications have > > acknowledged the snapshot alert--and/or after a > pre-set timeou

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-16 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> never make it any better. Just for a record: Solaris > 9 and 10 from Sun > was a plain crap to work with, and still is > inconvenient conservative > stagnationware. They won't build a free cool tools Everybody but geeks _wants_ stagnationware, if you means something that just runs. Even my old

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-16 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > > It is true there's no new build published in the > last 3 months. But you > > can't use that to assume they're killing the > community. > > Hmm, the community seems to think they're killing the > community: > > http://developers.slashd

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS mirror to RAIDz?

2010-07-16 Thread Erik Trimble
On 7/16/2010 5:54 AM, Ben wrote: Hi all, I currently have four drives in my OpenSolaris box. The drives are split into two mirrors, one mirror containing my rpool (disks 1& 2) and one containing other data (disks 2& 3). I'm running out of space on my data mirror and am thinking of upgradin

[zfs-discuss] ZFS mirror to RAIDz?

2010-07-16 Thread Ben
Hi all, I currently have four drives in my OpenSolaris box. The drives are split into two mirrors, one mirror containing my rpool (disks 1 & 2) and one containing other data (disks 2 & 3). I'm running out of space on my data mirror and am thinking of upgrading it to two 2TB disks. I then cons

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-16 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> Losing ZFS would indeed be disastrous, as it would > leave Solaris with > only the Veritas File System (VxFS) as a semi-modern > filesystem, and a > non-native FS at that (i.e. VxFS is a 3rd-party > for-pay FS, which > severely inhibits its uptake). UFS is just way to old > to be competitive