Re: [zfs-discuss] Why would zfs have too many errors when underlying raid array is fine?

2010-04-11 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/12/10 05:39 PM, Willard Korfhage wrote: IT is a Corsair 650W modular power supply, with 2 or 3 disks per cable. However, the Areca card is not reporting any errors, so I think power to the disks is unlikely to be a problem. Here's what is in /var/adm/messages Apr 11 22:37:41 fs9 fmd: [I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Secure delete?

2010-04-11 Thread James Van Artsdalen
OpenSolaris needs support for the TRIM command for SSDs. This command is issued to an SSD to indicate that a block is no longer in use and the SSD may erase it in preparation for future writes. A SECURE_FREE dataset property might be added that says that when a block is released to free space

Re: [zfs-discuss] Why would zfs have too many errors when underlying raid array is fine?

2010-04-11 Thread Willard Korfhage
IT is a Corsair 650W modular power supply, with 2 or 3 disks per cable. However, the Areca card is not reporting any errors, so I think power to the disks is unlikely to be a problem. Here's what is in /var/adm/messages Apr 11 22:37:41 fs9 fmd: [ID 377184 daemon.error] SUNW-MSG-ID: ZFS-8000-GH,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Why would zfs have too many errors when underlying raid array is fine?

2010-04-11 Thread Will Murnane
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 23:59, Willard Korfhage wrote: > I'm struggling to get a reliable OpenSolaris system on a file server. I'm > running an Asus P5BV-C/4L server motherboard, 4GB ECC ram, an E3110 > processor, and an Areca 1230 with 12 1-TB disks attached. In a previous > posting, it looked

[zfs-discuss] Why would zfs have too many errors when underlying raid array is fine?

2010-04-11 Thread Willard Korfhage
I'm struggling to get a reliable OpenSolaris system on a file server. I'm running an Asus P5BV-C/4L server motherboard, 4GB ECC ram, an E3110 processor, and an Areca 1230 with 12 1-TB disks attached. In a previous posting, it looked like RAM or the power supply by be a problem, so I ended up upg

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when unmirrored ZIL log device is removed ungracefully

2010-04-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Daniel Carosone [mailto:d...@geek.com.au] > > Please look at the pool property "failmode". Both of the preferences > you have expressed are available, as well as the default you seem so > unhappy with. I ... did not know that. :-) Thank you.

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when unmirrored ZIL log device is removed ungracefully

2010-04-11 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 07:03:29PM -0400, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > Heck, even if the faulted pool spontaneously sent the server into an > ungraceful reboot, even *that* would be an improvement. Please look at the pool property "failmode". Both of the preferences you have expressed are available

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when unmirrored ZIL log device is removed ungracefully

2010-04-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] > > On Apr 11, 2010, at 5:36 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > > > In the event a pool is faulted, I wish you didn't have to power cycle > the > > machine. Let all the zfs filesystems that are in that pool simply > > disappear, and when some

Re: [zfs-discuss] Secure delete?

2010-04-11 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On 04/11/10 12:46, Volker A. Brandt wrote: The most paranoid will replace all the disks and then physically destroy the old ones. I thought the most paranoid will encrypt everything and then forget the key... :-) Actually, I hear that the most paranoid encrypt everything *and then* destroy th

Re: [zfs-discuss] Secure delete?

2010-04-11 Thread Volker A. Brandt
> The most paranoid will replace all the disks and then physically destroy > the old ones. I thought the most paranoid will encrypt everything and then forget the key... :-) Seriously, once encrypted zfs is integrated that's a viable method. Regards -- Volker -- --

Re: [zfs-discuss] Secure delete?

2010-04-11 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On 04/11/10 10:19, Manoj Joseph wrote: Earlier writes to the file might have left older copies of the blocks lying around which could be recovered. Indeed; to be really sure you need to overwrite all the free space in the pool. If you limit yourself to worrying about data accessible via a re

Re: [zfs-discuss] device mixed-up while tying to import.

2010-04-11 Thread Yariv Graf
Hi all, An update. After a while I emailed Jeb Campbel who created logfix. Because I'm running snv_134 he suggested to try zpool import -F. I tried it but with no luck. Next, I tried zpool import -FX still with no luck. It seemed the OS was stucked. I assumed maybe because the HD is 1.5TB it might

Re: [zfs-discuss] Secure delete?

2010-04-11 Thread Manoj Joseph
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: > The secure deletion of the data would be something that hallens before > the file is actually unlinked (e.g. by rm). This secure deletion would > need open the file in a non COW mode. That may not be sufficient. Earlier writes to the file might have lef

[zfs-discuss] ZFS-8000-8A: Able to go back to normal without destroying whole pool?

2010-04-11 Thread Carsten Aulbert
Hi all, on Friday night two disk in one raidz2 vdev decided to die within a couple of minutes. Swapping drives and resilvering one at a time worked quite ok, however, now I'm faced with a nasty problem: s07:~# zpool status -v pool: atlashome state: ONLINE status: One or more d

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when unmirrored ZIL log device is removed ungracefully

2010-04-11 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 11, 2010, at 5:36 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > In the event a pool is faulted, I wish you didn't have to power cycle the > machine. Let all the zfs filesystems that are in that pool simply > disappear, and when somebody does "zpool status" you can see why. In general, I agree. How wou

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS effective short-stroking and connection to thin provisioning?

2010-04-11 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 10, 2010, at 11:32 PM, valrh...@gmail.com wrote: > A theoretical question on how ZFS works, for the experts on this board. > I am wondering about how and where ZFS puts the physical data on a mechanical > hard drive. In the past, I have spent lots of money on 15K rpm SCSI and then > SAS dr

Re: [zfs-discuss] Secure delete?

2010-04-11 Thread Michael Schuster, Oracle
On 10.04.10 21:06, Andrey Kuzmin wrote: No, until all snapshots referencing the file in question are removed. Simplest way to understand snapshots is to consider them as references. Any file-system object (say, file or block) is only removed when its reference count drops to zero. another thin

Re: [zfs-discuss] Secure delete?

2010-04-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > wrote: > > Hi all > > > > Is it possible to securely delete a file from a zfs dataset/zpool > once it's been snapshotted, meaning "delete (and perhaps overwrite) all > copies of this file"? > > No, until all snapshots referencing

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when unmirrored ZIL log device is removed ungracefully

2010-04-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > > Thanks for the testing. so FINALLY with version > 19 does ZFS > demonstrate production-ready status in my book. How long is it going to > take Solaris to catch up? Oh, it's been production worthy for some time - Just don't use u

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when unmirrored ZIL log device is removed ungracefully

2010-04-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Tim Cook [mailto:t...@cook.ms] > > Awesome!  Thanks for letting us know the results of your tests Ed, > that's extremely helpful.  I was actually interested in grabbing some > of the cheaper intel SSD's for home use, but didn't want to waste my > money if it wasn't going to handle the vari

Re: [zfs-discuss] Areca ARC-1680 on OpenSolaris 2009.06?

2010-04-11 Thread Tonmaus
That was a while back when I was shopping for my own HBAs. There were compatibility warnings all over the place with some Adpatec controllers and LSI SAS expanders. AFAIK, even the 106x need to be operated in IT mode to properly work with SAS expanders. IT mode disables all RAID functions of th