Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & HW RAID

2009-09-18 Thread Erik Trimble
All this reminds me: how much work (if any) has been done on the "asyncronous" mirroring option? That is, for supporting mirrors with radically different access times? (useful for supporting a mirror across a WAN, where you have hundred(s)-millisecond latency to the other side of the mirro

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & HW RAID

2009-09-18 Thread Scott Lawson
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, David Magda wrote: If you care to keep your pool up and alive as much as possible, then mirroring across SAN devices is recommended. One suggestion I heard was to get a LUN that's twice the size, and set "copies=2". This way you have some redund

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & HW RAID

2009-09-18 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, David Magda wrote: If you care to keep your pool up and alive as much as possible, then mirroring across SAN devices is recommended. One suggestion I heard was to get a LUN that's twice the size, and set "copies=2". This way you have some redundancy for incorrect checksu

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & HW RAID

2009-09-18 Thread David Magda
On Sep 18, 2009, at 16:52, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: If you care to keep your pool up and alive as much as possible, then mirroring across SAN devices is recommended. One suggestion I heard was to get a LUN that's twice the size, and set "copies=2". This way you have some redundancy for incorr

Re: [zfs-discuss] snv_XXX features / fixes -> Solaris 10 version

2009-09-18 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Chris, Unless we can figure out the best way to provide this info, please ask about specific features and we'll tell you. One convoluted way is that a CR that integrate a ZFS feature identifies the Nevada integration build and the Solaris 10 release, but not all CRs provide this info. You can

Re: [zfs-discuss] Crazy Phantom Zpools Again

2009-09-18 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Dave, I've searched opensolaris.org and our internal bug database. I don't see that anyone else has reported this problem. I asked someone from the OSOL install team and this behavior is a mystery. If you destroyed the phantom pools before you reinstalled, then they probably returned from the i

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & HW RAID

2009-09-18 Thread Robert Milkowski
Scott Lawson wrote: Sun Directory environment generally isn't very IO intensive, except for in massive data reloads or indexing operations. Other than this it is an ideal candidate for ZFS and it's rather nice ARC cache. Memory is cheap on a lot of boxes and it will make read only type file sys

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS file disk usage

2009-09-18 Thread Robert Milkowski
Andrew Deason wrote: On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:38:28 -0400 Robert Milkowski wrote: No. We need to be able to tell how close to full we are, for determining when to start/stop removing things from the cache before we can add new items to the cache again. but having a dedicated dataset

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & HW RAID

2009-09-18 Thread Scott Lawson
Lloyd H. Gill wrote: Hello folks, I am sure this topic has been asked, but I am new to this list. I have read a ton of doc's on the web, but wanted to get some opinions from you all. Also, if someone has a digest of the last time this was discussed, you can just send that to me. In any cas

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS file disk usage

2009-09-18 Thread Andrew Deason
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:38:28 -0400 Robert Milkowski wrote: > > No. We need to be able to tell how close to full we are, for > > determining when to start/stop removing things from the cache > > before we can add new items to the cache again. > > > > but having a dedicated dataset will let you

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAIDZ versus mirrroed

2009-09-18 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 14:19 -0700, Richard Elling wrote: > Actually, I had a ton of data on resilvering which shows mirrors and > raidz equivalently bottlenecked on the media write bandwidth. However, > there are other cases which are IOPS bound (or CR bound :-) which > cover some of the postings

Re: [zfs-discuss] snv_XXX features / fixes -> Solaris 10 version

2009-09-18 Thread Robert Milkowski
Richard Elling wrote: On Sep 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Chris Banal wrote: Since most zfs features / fixes are reported in snv_XXX terms. Is there some sort of way to figure out which versions of Solaris 10 have the equivalent features / fixes? There is no automated nor easy way to do this. Not

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & HW RAID

2009-09-18 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hi, see comments inline: Lloyd H. Gill wrote: Hello folks, I am sure this topic has been asked, but I am new to this list. I have read a ton of doc’s on the web, but wanted to get some opinions from you all. Also, if someone has a digest of the last time this was discussed, you can just se

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS & HW RAID

2009-09-18 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, Lloyd H. Gill wrote: The Sun docs seem to indicate it possible, but not a recommended course. I realize there are some advantages, such as snapshots, etc. But, the h/w raid will handle most disk problems, basically reducing the great capabilities of the big reasons to deploy

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS file disk usage

2009-09-18 Thread Robert Milkowski
Andrew Deason wrote: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:40:49 -0400 Robert Milkowski wrote: if you would create a dedicated dataset for your cache and set quota on it then instead of tracking a disk space usage for each file you could easily check how much disk space is being used in the dataset. Would

[zfs-discuss] ZFS & HW RAID

2009-09-18 Thread Lloyd H. Gill
Hello folks, I am sure this topic has been asked, but I am new to this list. I have read a ton of doc¹s on the web, but wanted to get some opinions from you all. Also, if someone has a digest of the last time this was discussed, you can just send that to me. In any case, I am reading a lot of mix

Re: [zfs-discuss] addendum: zpool UNAVAIL even though disk is online: another label issue?

2009-09-18 Thread michael schuster
Cindy Swearingen wrote: Michael, Get some rest. :-) Then see if you can import your root pool while booted from the LiveCD. that's what I tried - I'm never even shown "rpool", I probably wouldn't have mentioned localpool at all if I had ;-) After you get to that point, you might search the

Re: [zfs-discuss] addendum: zpool UNAVAIL even though disk is online: another label issue?

2009-09-18 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Michael, Get some rest. :-) Then see if you can import your root pool while booted from the LiveCD. After you get to that point, you might search the indiana-discuss archive for tips on resolving the pkg-image-update no grub menu problem. Cindy On 09/18/09 12:08, michael schuster wrote: Ci

Re: [zfs-discuss] snv_XXX features / fixes -> Solaris 10 version

2009-09-18 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Chris Banal wrote: Since most zfs features / fixes are reported in snv_XXX terms. Is there some sort of way to figure out which versions of Solaris 10 have the equivalent features / fixes? There is no automated nor easy way to do this. Not all features are bac

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS file disk usage

2009-09-18 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:36 AM, Andrew Deason wrote: On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:40:49 -0400 Robert Milkowski wrote: if you would create a dedicated dataset for your cache and set quota on it then instead of tracking a disk space usage for each file you could easily check how much disk space is being

Re: [zfs-discuss] If you have ZFS in production, willing to share some details (with me)?

2009-09-18 Thread Jeremy Kister
On 9/18/2009 1:51 PM, Steffen Weiberle wrote: I am trying to compile some deployment scenarios of ZFS. # of systems do zfs root count? or only big pools? amount of storage raw or after parity ? -- Jeremy Kister http://jeremy.kister.net./ ___

[zfs-discuss] Crazy Phantom Zpools Again

2009-09-18 Thread Dave Abrahams
I just did a fresh reinstall of OpenSolaris and I'm again seeing the phenomenon described in http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.solaris.opensolaris.zfs/26259 which I posted many months ago and got no reply to. Can someone *please* help me figure out what's going on here? Thanks in Advance, -- Dav

Re: [zfs-discuss] addendum: zpool UNAVAIL even though disk is online: another label issue?

2009-09-18 Thread michael schuster
Cindy Swearingen wrote: Michael, ZFS handles EFI labels just fine, but you need an SMI label on the disk that you are booting from. Are you saying that localtank is your root pool? no... (I was on the plane yesterday, I'm still jet-lagged), I should have realised that that's strange. I b

[zfs-discuss] If you have ZFS in production, willing to share some details (with me)?

2009-09-18 Thread Steffen Weiberle
I am trying to compile some deployment scenarios of ZFS. If you are running ZFS in production, would you be willing to provide (publicly or privately)? # of systems amount of storage application profile(s) type of workload (low, high; random, sequential; read-only, read-write, write-only) st

Re: [zfs-discuss] addendum: zpool UNAVAIL even though disk is online: another label issue?

2009-09-18 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Michael, ZFS handles EFI labels just fine, but you need an SMI label on the disk that you are booting from. Are you saying that localtank is your root pool? I believe the OSOL install creates a root pool called rpool. I don't remember if its configurable. Changing labels or partitions from

[zfs-discuss] snv_XXX features / fixes -> Solaris 10 version

2009-09-18 Thread Chris Banal
Since most zfs features / fixes are reported in snv_XXX terms. Is there some sort of way to figure out which versions of Solaris 10 have the equivalent features / fixes? Thanks, Chris ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.o

[zfs-discuss] addendum: zpool UNAVAIL even though disk is online: another label issue?

2009-09-18 Thread michael schuster
michael schuster wrote: All, this morning, I did "pkg image-update" from 118 to 123 (internal repo), and upon reboot all I got was the grub prompt - no menu, nothing. I found a 2009.06 CD, and when I boot that and run "zpool import", I get told localtank UNAVAIL insufficient replicas

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS file disk usage

2009-09-18 Thread Andrew Deason
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:48:34 -0400 Richard Elling wrote: > The transactional nature of ZFS may work against you here. > Until the data is committed to disk, it is unclear how much space > it will consume. Compression clouds the crystal ball further. ...but not impossible. I'm just looking for a

[zfs-discuss] zpool UNAVAIL even though disk is online: another label issue?

2009-09-18 Thread michael schuster
All, this morning, I did "pkg image-update" from 118 to 123 (internal repo), and upon reboot all I got was the grub prompt - no menu, nothing. I found a 2009.06 CD, and when I boot that and run "zpool import", I get told localtank UNAVAIL insufficient replicas c8t1d0O

Re: [zfs-discuss] deduplication

2009-09-18 Thread Blake
Thanks James! I look forward to these - we could really use dedup in my org. Blake On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:02 PM, James C. McPherson wrote: > On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:50:17 -0500 > Tim Cook wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Thomas Burgess wrote: >> >> > >> > I think you're right, a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS file disk usage

2009-09-18 Thread Andrew Deason
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:40:49 -0400 Robert Milkowski wrote: > if you would create a dedicated dataset for your cache and set quota > on it then instead of tracking a disk space usage for each file you > could easily check how much disk space is being used in the dataset. > Would it suffice for you

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4540 dead HDD replacement, remains "configured".

2009-09-18 Thread John Ryan
I have exactly these symptoms on 3 thumpers now. 2 x x4540s and 1 x x4500 Rebooting/Power cycling doesn't even bring them back. The only thing I found, is that if I boot from the osol.2009.06 Cd, I can see all the drives I had to reinstall the OS on one box. I've only just recently upgraded them

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAIDZ versus mirrroed

2009-09-18 Thread Brandon High
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Adam Leventhal wrote: >  RAID-3        bit-interleaved parity (basically not used) There was a hardware RAID chipset that used RAID-3. Netcell Revolution I think it was called. It looked interesting and I thought about grabbing one at the time but never got arou