Re: [zfs-discuss] eon or nexentacore or opensolaris

2009-05-26 Thread Bogdan M. Maryniuk
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Anil Gulecha wrote: > One example is StormOS, and XFCE based distro being built on NCP2. > According to the latest blog entry.. a release is imminent. Perhaps > you'll have better desktop experience with this. (www.stormos.org) So.Tried it just now. Shortly: I'd s

[zfs-discuss] disabling showmount -e behaviour

2009-05-26 Thread Roman V Shaposhnik
I must admit that this question originates in the context of Sun's Storage 7210 product, which impose additional restrictions on the kind of knobs I can turn. But here's the question: suppose I have an installation where ZFS is the storage for user home directories. Since I need quotas, each direc

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors on mirrored drive

2009-05-26 Thread Kjetil Torgrim Homme
Frank Middleton writes: > Exactly. My whole point. And without ECC there's no way of knowing. > But if the data is damaged /after/ checksum but /before/ write, then > you have a real problem... we can't do much to protect ourselves from damage to the data itself (an extra copy in RAM will help l

Re: [zfs-discuss] eon or nexentacore or opensolaris

2009-05-26 Thread Erast
May be what you saying is true wrt. NexentaCore 2.0. But hey, think about open source principals and development process. We do hope that NexentaCore will become an official Debian distribution some day! We evolving and driven completely by the community here. Anyone can participate and fix the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors on mirrored drive

2009-05-26 Thread Richard Elling
Frank brings up some interesting ideas, some of which might need some additional thoughts... Frank Middleton wrote: On 05/23/09 10:21, Richard Elling wrote: This forum is littered with claims of "zfs checksums are broken" where the root cause turned out to be faulty hardware or firmware in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors on mirrored drive

2009-05-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Frank Middleton wrote: Just asking if an option for machines with no ecc and their inevitable memory errors is a reasonable thing to suggest in an RFE. Machines lacking ECC do not suffer from "inevitable memory errors". Memory errors are not like death and taxes. Exactl

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors on mirrored drive

2009-05-26 Thread Darren J Moffat
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009, Frank Middleton wrote: Just asking if an option for machines with no ecc and their inevitable memory errors is a reasonable thing to suggest in an RFE. Machines lacking ECC do not suffer from "inevitable memory errors". Memory errors are not like de

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors on mirrored drive

2009-05-26 Thread Toby Thain
On 26-May-09, at 10:21 AM, Frank Middleton wrote: On 05/26/09 03:23, casper@sun.com wrote: And where exactly do you get the second good copy of the data? From the first. And if it is already bad, as noted previously, this is no worse than the UFS/ext3 case. If you want total freedom fro

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors on mirrored drive

2009-05-26 Thread Toby Thain
On 25-May-09, at 11:16 PM, Frank Middleton wrote: On 05/22/09 21:08, Toby Thain wrote: Yes, the important thing is to *detect* them, no system can run reliably with bad memory, and that includes any system with ZFS. Doing nutty things like calculating the checksum twice does not buy anything

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors on mirrored drive

2009-05-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Frank Middleton wrote: 1) could be fixed in the documentation - "ZFS should be used with caution on machines with no ECC since random bit flips can cause unrecoverable checksum failures on mirrored drives". Or "ZFS isn't supported on machines with memory that has no ECC".

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors on mirrored drive

2009-05-26 Thread Frank Middleton
On 05/26/09 03:23, casper@sun.com wrote: And where exactly do you get the second good copy of the data? From the first. And if it is already bad, as noted previously, this is no worse than the UFS/ext3 case. If you want total freedom from this class of errors, use ECC. If you copy the c

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors on mirrored drive

2009-05-26 Thread Frank Middleton
On 05/23/09 10:21, Richard Elling wrote: This forum is littered with claims of "zfs checksums are broken" where the root cause turned out to be faulty hardware or firmware in the data path. I think that before you should speculate on a redesign, we should get to the root cause. The hardware

Re: [zfs-discuss] nonunique devids with Solaris 10 zfs

2009-05-26 Thread James C. McPherson
On Tue, 26 May 2009 10:19:06 +0200 Willi Burmeister wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to get Solaris 10U6 on a old V240 with two new Seagate disks > using zfs as the root filesystem, but failed with this status: > > -- > # zpool stat

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zfs send speed. Was: User quota design discussion..

2009-05-26 Thread Jorgen Lundman
So you recommend I also do speed test on larger volumes? The test data I had on the b114 server was only 90GB. Previous tests included 500G ufs on zvol etc. It is just it will take 4 days to send it to the b114 server to start with ;) (From Sol10 servers). Lund Dirk Wriedt wrote: Jorgen,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zfs send speed. Was: User quota design discussion..

2009-05-26 Thread Dirk Wriedt
Jorgen, what is the size of the sending zfs? I thought replication speed depends on the size of the sending fs, too not only size of the snapshot being sent. Regards Dirk --On Freitag, Mai 22, 2009 19:19:34 +0900 Jorgen Lundman wrote: Sorry, yes. It is straight; # time zfs send zpool1/l

[zfs-discuss] nonunique devids with Solaris 10 zfs

2009-05-26 Thread Willi Burmeister
Hi, I'm trying to get Solaris 10U6 on a old V240 with two new Seagate disks using zfs as the root filesystem, but failed with this status: -- # zpool status pool: rpool state: DEGRADED status: One or more devices could not be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Errors on mirrored drive

2009-05-26 Thread Casper . Dik
>On 05/22/09 21:08, Toby Thain wrote: >> Yes, the important thing is to *detect* them, no system can run reliably >> with bad memory, and that includes any system with ZFS. Doing nutty >> things like calculating the checksum twice does not buy anything of >> value here. > >All memory is "bad" if i