Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS 15K drives as L2ARC

2009-05-06 Thread erik.ableson
On 7 mai 09, at 04:03, Adam Leventhal wrote: After all this discussion, I am not sure if anyone adequately answered the original poster's question as to whether at 2540 with SAS 15K drives would provide substantial synchronous write throughput improvement when used as a L2ARC device. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS 15K drives as L2ARC

2009-05-06 Thread Adam Leventhal
>> After all this discussion, I am not sure if anyone adequately answered the >> original poster's question as to whether at 2540 with SAS 15K drives would >> provide substantial synchronous write throughput improvement when used as >> a L2ARC device. > > I was under the impression that the L2AR

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS 15K drives as L2ARC

2009-05-06 Thread David Magda
On May 6, 2009, at 20:46, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: After all this discussion, I am not sure if anyone adequately answered the original poster's question as to whether at 2540 with SAS 15K drives would provide substantial synchronous write throughput improvement when used as a L2ARC device.

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS 15K drives as L2ARC

2009-05-06 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 7 May 2009, Scott Lawson wrote: Something nice about the STK2540 solution is that if the server system dies. The STK2540's can quickly be swung over to another system via a quick 'zfs import'. Sure provided they have it attached to a fibre channel switch or have a nice long fibre lead.

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS 15K drives as L2ARC

2009-05-06 Thread Scott Lawson
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Thu, 7 May 2009, Scott Lawson wrote: A STK2540 storage array with this configuration: * Tray 1: Twelve (12) 146 GB @ 15K SAS HDDs. * Tray 2: Twelve (12) 1 TB @ 7200 SATA HDDs. Just thought I would point out that these are hardware backed RAID arrays. You m

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + EMC Cx310 Array (JBOD ? Or Singe MetaLUN ?)

2009-05-06 Thread Miles Nordin
> "re" == Richard Elling writes: re> We forget because it is no longer a problem ;-) bug number? re> I think it is disingenuous to compare an enterprise-class RAID re> array with the random collection of hardware on which Solaris re> runs. compare with a Sun-integrated Sola

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + EMC Cx310 Array (JBOD ? Or Singe MetaLUN ?)

2009-05-06 Thread Richard Elling
Miles Nordin wrote: "djm" == Darren J Moffat writes: djm> If you only present a single lun to ZFS it may not be able to djm> repair any detected errors. And also the problems with pools becoming corrupt and unimportable, especially when the SAN reboots or loses connectivity

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS 15K drives as L2ARC

2009-05-06 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 7 May 2009, Scott Lawson wrote: A STK2540 storage array with this configuration: * Tray 1: Twelve (12) 146 GB @ 15K SAS HDDs. * Tray 2: Twelve (12) 1 TB @ 7200 SATA HDDs. Just thought I would point out that these are hardware backed RAID arrays. You might be better off using t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Richard Elling
Miles Nordin wrote: "re" == Richard Elling writes: re> Note: in the Caiman world, this is only an issue for the first re> BE. Later BEs can easily have other policies. -- richard AIUI the later BE's are clones of the first, and not all blocks will be rewritten, so it's

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS 15K drives as L2ARC

2009-05-06 Thread Scott Lawson
Roger Solano wrote: Hello, Does it make any sense to use a bunch of 15K SAS drives as L2ARC cache for several TBs of SATA disks? For example: A STK2540 storage array with this configuration: * Tray 1: Twelve (12) 146 GB @ 15K SAS HDDs. * Tray 2: Twelve (12) 1 TB @ 7200 SATA HDDs.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:54 AM, wrote: > >>On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Ellis, Mike wrote: >>> PS: At one point the old JumpStart code was encumbered, and the >>> community wasn't able to assist. I haven't looked at the next-gen >>> jumpstart framework that was delivered as part of the OpenSo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Monitoring ZFS host memory use

2009-05-06 Thread Paul Choi
Ben Rockwood's written a very useful util called arc_summary: http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=979 It's really good for looking at ARC usage (including memory usage). You might be able to make some guesses based on "kstat -n zfs_file_data" and "kstat -n zfs_file_data_buf". Look

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Miles Nordin
> "re" == Richard Elling writes: re> Note: in the Caiman world, this is only an issue for the first re> BE. Later BEs can easily have other policies. -- richard AIUI the later BE's are clones of the first, and not all blocks will be rewritten, so it's still an issue. no? pgpsh8Y

Re: [zfs-discuss] Monitoring ZFS host memory use

2009-05-06 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 6 May 2009, Richard Elling wrote: Memory is meant to be used. 96% RAM use is good since it represents an effective use of your investment. Actually, I think a percentage of RAM is a bogus metric to measure. For example, on a 2TBytes system, you would be wasting 80 GBytes. Perhaps you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Monitoring ZFS host memory use

2009-05-06 Thread Richard Elling
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 6 May 2009, Troy Nancarrow (MEL) wrote: Please forgive me if my searching-fu has failed me in this case, but I've been unable to find any information on how people are going about monitoring and alerting regarding memory usage on Solaris hosts using ZFS. The pr

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Blake
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Rich Teer wrote: > On Wed, 6 May 2009, Richard Elling wrote: > >> popular interactive installers much more simplified.  I agree that >> interactive installation needs to remain as simple as possible. > > How about offering a choice an installation time: "Custom or

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Lori Alt
This sounds like a good idea to me, but it should be brought up on the caiman-disc...@opensolaris.org mailing list, since this is not just, or even primarily, a zfs issue. Lori Rich Teer wrote: On Wed, 6 May 2009, Richard Elling wrote: popular interactive installers much more simplified.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Monitoring ZFS host memory use

2009-05-06 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 6 May 2009, Troy Nancarrow (MEL) wrote: Please forgive me if my searching-fu has failed me in this case, but I've been unable to find any information on how people are going about monitoring and alerting regarding memory usage on Solaris hosts using ZFS. The problem is not that the ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Monitoring ZFS host memory use

2009-05-06 Thread Richard Elling
Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Troy Nancarrow (MEL) wrote: So how are others monitoring memory usage on ZFS servers? I think you can get the amount of memory zfs arc uses with arcstat.pl. http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/Arcstat arcstat is a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 6 May 2009, Richard Elling wrote: > popular interactive installers much more simplified. I agree that > interactive installation needs to remain as simple as possible. How about offering a choice an installation time: "Custom or default?"? Those that don't want/need the interactive flex

Re: [zfs-discuss] SAS 15K drives as L2ARC

2009-05-06 Thread Richard Elling
Roger Solano wrote: Hello, Does it make any sense to use a bunch of 15K SAS drives as L2ARC cache for several TBs of SATA disks? For example: A STK2540 storage array with this configuration: * Tray 1: Twelve (12) 146 GB @ 15K SAS HDDs. Alternatively, you can purchase non-Sun 500 GBy

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Richard Elling
Ellis, Mike wrote: How about a generic "zfs options" field in the JumpStart profile? (essentially an area where options can be specified that are all applied to the boot-pool (with provisions to deal with a broken-out-var)) We had this discussion a while back and, IIRC, it was expected that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Monitoring ZFS host memory use

2009-05-06 Thread Thomas Maier-Komor
Troy Nancarrow (MEL) schrieb: > Hi, > > Please forgive me if my searching-fu has failed me in this case, but > I've been unable to find any information on how people are going about > monitoring and alerting regarding memory usage on Solaris hosts using ZFS. > > The problem is not that the ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Monitoring ZFS host memory use

2009-05-06 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Troy Nancarrow (MEL) wrote: > So how are others monitoring memory usage on ZFS servers? I think you can get the amount of memory zfs arc uses with arcstat.pl. http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/Arcstat IMHO it's probably best to set a limit on ARC size

Re: [zfs-discuss] Compression/copies on root pool RFE

2009-05-06 Thread Casper . Dik
>On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Ellis, Mike wrote: >> PS: At one point the old JumpStart code was encumbered, and the >> community wasn't able to assist. I haven't looked at the next-gen >> jumpstart framework that was delivered as part of the OpenSolaris SPARC >> preview. Can anyone provide any