Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in Solaris 10 update 7

2009-05-01 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Ian, Other than bug fixes, the only notable feature in the Solaris 10 5/09 release is that Solaris Live Upgrade supports additional zones configurations. You can read about these configurations here: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461/gigek?l=en&a=view I hope someone else from the tea

[zfs-discuss] ZFS in Solaris 10 update 7

2009-05-01 Thread Ian Collins
Is there a published list of updates to ZFS for Solaris 10 update 7? I can't find anything specific in the release notes. -- Ian. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sub-divided disks and ZFS

2009-05-01 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Fri, May 1 at 14:19, Miles Nordin wrote: Secondly I'm not sure I buy the USENIX claim that you can limp along less one head. The last failed drive I took apart, was indeed failed on just one head, but it had scraped all the rust off the platter (down to glass! it was really glass!), and the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sub-divided disks and ZFS

2009-05-01 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 1 May 2009, Eric D. Mudama wrote: On Fri, May 1 at 11:44, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Hard drives are comprised of multiple platters, with typically an independently navigated head on each side. This is a gap in your assumptions I believe. The headstack is a single physical entity, so al

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + EMC Cx310 Array (JBOD ? Or Singe MetaLUN ?)

2009-05-01 Thread Erik Trimble
Has the issue with "disappearing" single-LUN zpools causing corruption been fixed? I'd have to look up the bug, but I got bitten by this last year about this time: Config: single LUN export from array to host, attached via FC. Scenario: (1) array is turned off while host is alive, but whil

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sub-divided disks and ZFS

2009-05-01 Thread Miles Nordin
> "edm" == Eric D Mudama writes: >> Hard drives are comprised of multiple platters, with typically >> an independently navigated head on each side. edm> This is a gap in your assumptions I believe. edm> The headstack is a single physical entity, so all heads move edm> in

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + EMC Cx310 Array (JBOD ? Or Singe MetaLUN ?)

2009-05-01 Thread Torrey McMahon
On 5/1/2009 2:01 PM, Miles Nordin wrote: I've never heard of using multiple-LUN stripes for storage QoS before. Have you actually measured some improvement in this configuration over a single LUN? If so that's interesting. Because of the way queing works in the OS and in most array controllers

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + EMC Cx310 Array (JBOD ? Or Singe MetaLUN ?)

2009-05-01 Thread Miles Nordin
> "sl" == Scott Lawson writes: > "wa" == Wilkinson, Alex writes: > "dg" == Dale Ghent writes: > "djm" == Darren J Moffat writes: sl> Specifically I am talking of ZFS snapshots, rollbacks, sl> cloning, clone promotion, [...] sl> Of course to take maximum advantage

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sub-divided disks and ZFS

2009-05-01 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Fri, May 1 at 11:44, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Hard drives are comprised of multiple platters, with typically an independently navigated head on each side. This is a gap in your assumptions I believe. The headstack is a single physical entity, so all heads move in unison to the same position

[zfs-discuss] Sub-divided disks and ZFS

2009-05-01 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
This morning as I was reading USENIX conference summaries which suggested that maybe SATA/SAS is not an optimimum interface for SSDs it came to mind that some out-of-the-box thinking is needed for hard drives as well. Hard drive storage densities have been increasing dramatically so that lates

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + EMC Cx310 Array (JBOD ? Or Singe MetaLUN ?)

2009-05-01 Thread Richard Elling
Wilkinson, Alex wrote: So, shall I forget ZFS and use UFS I think the writing is on the wall, right next to "Romani ite domum" :-) Today, laptops have 500 GByte drives, desktops have 1.5 TByte drives. UFS really does not work well with SMI label and 1 TByte limitations. -- richard

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + EMC Cx310 Array (JBOD ? Or Singe MetaLUN ?)

2009-05-01 Thread Darren J Moffat
Dale Ghent wrote: On May 1, 2009, at 4:01 AM, Ian Collins wrote: Dale Ghent wrote: On May 1, 2009, at 2:09 AM, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: So, shall I forget ZFS and use UFS ? Not at all. Just export lots of LUNs from your EMC to get the IO scheduling win, not one giant one, and configure th

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + EMC Cx310 Array (JBOD ? Or Singe MetaLUN ?)

2009-05-01 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 09:52:54AM -0400, Dale Ghent wrote: > > EMC. It's where data lives. I thought it was, "EMC. It's where data goes to die." :-D -brian -- "Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + EMC Cx310 Array (JBOD ? Or Singe MetaLUN ?)

2009-05-01 Thread Dale Ghent
On May 1, 2009, at 4:01 AM, Ian Collins wrote: Dale Ghent wrote: On May 1, 2009, at 2:09 AM, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: So, shall I forget ZFS and use UFS ? Not at all. Just export lots of LUNs from your EMC to get the IO scheduling win, not one giant one, and configure the zpool as a str

Re: [zfs-discuss] ? ZFS encryption with root pool

2009-05-01 Thread Darren J Moffat
Ulrich Graef wrote: According: ZFS encryption Will it be possible to have an encrypted root pool? We don't encrypt pools, we encrypt datasets. This is the same as what is done for compression. It will be possible in the initial integration to have encrypted datasets in the root pool. How

Re: [zfs-discuss] Data loss bug - sidelined??

2009-05-01 Thread Roch Bourbonnais
Le 6 févr. 09 à 20:54, Ross Smith a écrit : Something to do with cache was my first thought. It seems to be able to read and write from the cache quite happily for some time, regardless of whether the pool is live. If you're reading or writing large amounts of data, zfs starts experiencing IO

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + EMC Cx310 Array (JBOD ? Or Singe MetaLUN ?)

2009-05-01 Thread Ian Collins
Dale Ghent wrote: On May 1, 2009, at 2:09 AM, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: So, shall I forget ZFS and use UFS ? Not at all. Just export lots of LUNs from your EMC to get the IO scheduling win, not one giant one, and configure the zpool as a stripe. What, no redundancy? -- Ian. ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + EMC Cx310 Array (JBOD ? Or Singe MetaLUN ?)

2009-05-01 Thread Dale Ghent
On May 1, 2009, at 2:09 AM, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: 0n Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:11:55AM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Thu, 30 Apr 2009, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: I currently have a single 17TB MetaLUN that i am about to present to an OpenSolaris initiator and it will obviously be ZFS. H