Re: [zfs-discuss] Filesystem for each home dir - 10,000 users?

2008-06-12 Thread Keith Bierman
On Jun 12, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Chris Siebenmann wrote: > > Or to put it another way: disk space is a permanent commitment, > servers are not. In the olden times (e.g. 1980s) on various CDC and Univac timesharing services, I recall there being two kinds of storage ... "dayfiles" and permanen

Re: [zfs-discuss] SXCE build 90 vs S10U6?

2008-06-12 Thread Tim
...There was a post just this afternoon stating the opensolaris update track would be back to following sxce with b91 so I haven't a clue what you're talking about. As for the features/support they're looking for, if they wanted enterprise infallible storage, a thumper was the wrong choice day 1.

Re: [zfs-discuss] SXCE build 90 vs S10U6?

2008-06-12 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess I find the "difference" between b90 and opensolaris trivial > given we're supposed to be getting constant updates following the sxce > builds. But the supported version of OpenSolaris will not be on the same schedule as sxc

Re: [zfs-discuss] SXCE build 90 vs S10U6?

2008-06-12 Thread Tim
I guess I find the "difference" between b90 and opensolaris trivial given we're supposed to be getting constant updates following the sxce builds. On 6/12/08, Mike Gerdts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> They aren't even close to eac

Re: [zfs-discuss] SXCE build 90 vs S10U6?

2008-06-12 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They aren't even close to each other. ?Things like in-kernel cifs will > never be put back. > > My question is, what is holding you back from just deploying on sxce? > Sun now offers support for it. To the best of my knowledge, Sun

Re: [zfs-discuss] SXCE build 90 vs S10U6?

2008-06-12 Thread Tim
They aren't even close to each other. Things like in-kernel cifs will never be put back. My question is, what is holding you back from just deploying on sxce? Sun now offers support for it. On 6/12/08, Paul B. Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How close is Solaris Express build 90 to what

Re: [zfs-discuss] SXCE build 90 vs S10U6?

2008-06-12 Thread Albert Lee
On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 17:52 -0700, Paul B. Henson wrote: > How close is Solaris Express build 90 to what will be released as the > official Solaris 10 update 6? > > We just bought five x4500 servers, but I don't really want to deploy in > production with U5. There are a number of features in U6 I

[zfs-discuss] SXCE build 90 vs S10U6?

2008-06-12 Thread Paul B. Henson
How close is Solaris Express build 90 to what will be released as the official Solaris 10 update 6? We just bought five x4500 servers, but I don't really want to deploy in production with U5. There are a number of features in U6 I'd like to have (zfs allow for better integration with our local id

Re: [zfs-discuss] Boot from mirrored vdev

2008-06-12 Thread Richard Elling
Rich Teer wrote: > Hi all, > > Booting from a two-way mirrored metadevice created using SVM > can be a bit risky, especially when one of the drives fail > (not being able to form a quarum, the kernel will panic). > Is booting from mirrored vdev created by using ZFS similarly > iffy? That is, if on

Re: [zfs-discuss] Filesystem for each home dir - 10,000 users?

2008-06-12 Thread Chris Siebenmann
| Every time I've come across a usage scenario where the submitter asks | for per user quotas, its usually a university type scenario where | univeristies are notorious for providing lots of CPU horsepower (many, | many servers) attached to a simply dismal amount of back-end storage. Speaking as

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS root boot failure?

2008-06-12 Thread Kurt Schreiner
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 07:31:49PM +0200, Richard Elling wrote: > Kurt Schreiner wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:38:56AM +0200, Richard Elling wrote: > > > >> Vincent Fox wrote: > >> > >>> So I decided to test out failure modes of ZFS root mirrors. > >>> > >>> Installed on a V240 with nv90.

[zfs-discuss] zfs root / cannot activate new BE

2008-06-12 Thread Peter Lees
i folks i have set up a new BE on zfs root, but it does not want to activate. server is build 90, x86 (64 bit) i already have 2 other BE's on UFS/SVM when i try to activate the zfs BE it seems OK, but on reboot now zfs BE option is shown in grub. i have 2 disks: disk 1 has the 2 SVM metadevic

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS root boot failure?

2008-06-12 Thread Richard Elling
Kurt Schreiner wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:38:56AM +0200, Richard Elling wrote: > >> Vincent Fox wrote: >> >>> So I decided to test out failure modes of ZFS root mirrors. >>> >>> Installed on a V240 with nv90. Worked great. >>> >>> Pulled out disk1, then replaced it and attached ag

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS root boot failure?

2008-06-12 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Vincent, I think you are running into some existing bugs, particularly this one: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6668666 Please review the list of known issues here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/ Also check out the issues described on page 77 in this section: Bo

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS root boot failure?

2008-06-12 Thread Vincent Fox
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:38:56AM +0200, Richard > > pull disk1 > replace > *resilver* > pull disk0 > ... > So the 2 disks should be in sync (due to > resilvering)? Or is there > another step needed to get the disks in sync? That is an accurate summary. I thought

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS root boot failure?

2008-06-12 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 07:28:23AM -0400, Brian Hechinger wrote: > I think something else that might help is if ZFS were to boot, see that > the volume it booted from is older than the other one, print a message > to that effect and either halt the machine or issue a reboot pointing > at the other

Re: [zfs-discuss] Boot from mirrored vdev

2008-06-12 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 07:29:08AM -0700, Rich Teer wrote: > Hi all, > > Booting from a two-way mirrored metadevice created using SVM > can be a bit risky, especially when one of the drives fail > (not being able to form a quarum, the kernel will panic). SVM doesn't panic in that situation. At b

[zfs-discuss] Boot from mirrored vdev

2008-06-12 Thread Rich Teer
Hi all, Booting from a two-way mirrored metadevice created using SVM can be a bit risky, especially when one of the drives fail (not being able to form a quarum, the kernel will panic). Is booting from mirrored vdev created by using ZFS similarly iffy? That is, if one disk in the vdev dies, will

[zfs-discuss] ZFS dependent clones question

2008-06-12 Thread Yiannis
Hi, After managing to upgrade to svn90 after a few failed attempts, I was left with a ton of zfs datasets (see previous post) most of which I've managed to destroy, however there's something that stumps me NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPO

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS root boot failure?

2008-06-12 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:43:26PM -0700, Richard Elling wrote: > > AFAIK, SVM will not handle this problem well. ZFS and Solaris > Cluster can detect this because the configuration metadata knows > the time difference (ZFS can detect this by the latest txg). Having been through this myself with

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS root boot failure?

2008-06-12 Thread Kurt Schreiner
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:38:56AM +0200, Richard Elling wrote: > Vincent Fox wrote: > > So I decided to test out failure modes of ZFS root mirrors. > > > > Installed on a V240 with nv90. Worked great. > > > > Pulled out disk1, then replaced it and attached again, resilvered, all good. > > > > Now