Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored zpool across network

2007-09-10 Thread Mark
Hey all again, Looking into a few other options. How about infiniband? it would give us more bandwidth, but will it increase complexity/price? any thoughts? Cheers Mark This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-disc

[zfs-discuss] ext3 on zvols journal performance pathologies?

2007-09-10 Thread Joshua Goodall
I've been seeing read and write performance pathologies with Linux ext3 over iSCSI to zvols, especially with small writes. Does running a journalled filesystem to a zvol turn the block storage into swiss cheese? I am considering serving ext3 journals (and possibly swap too) off a raw, hardware-mirr

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-10 Thread David Hopwood
Joerg Schilling wrote: > David Hopwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Al Hopper wrote: >>> So back to patent portfolios: yes there will be (public and private) >>> posturing; yes there will be negotiations; and, ultimately, there will >>> be a resolution. All of this won't affect ZFS or anyone

Re: [zfs-discuss] An Academic Sysadmin's Lament for ZFS ?

2007-09-10 Thread Phil Harman
On 10 Sep 2007, at 16:41, Brian H. Nelson wrote: Stephen Usher wrote: Brian H. Nelson: I'm sure it would be interesting for those on the list if you could outline the gotchas so that the rest of us don't have to re-invent the wheel... or at least not fall down the pitfalls. Also, here's a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best way to incorporate disk size tolerance into

2007-09-10 Thread Richard Elling
MC wrote: > To expand on this: > >> The recommended use of whole disks is for drives with volatile >> write caches where ZFS will enable the cache if it owns the whole disk. > > Does ZFS really never use disk cache when working with a disk slice? This question doesn't make sense. ZFS doesn't

[zfs-discuss] zfs mount points (all-or-nothing)

2007-09-10 Thread msl
Hello all, There is a way to configure the zpool to "legacy_mount", and have all filesystems in that pool mounted automatically? I will try explain better: - Imagine that i have a zfs pool with "1000" filesystems. - I want to "control" the mount/unmount of that pool, so, i did configure the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best way to incorporate disk size tolerance into

2007-09-10 Thread MC
To expand on this: > The recommended use of whole disks is for drives with volatile write caches > where ZFS will enable the cache if it owns the whole disk. Does ZFS really never use disk cache when working with a disk slice? Is there any way to force it to use the disk cache? This messag

Re: [zfs-discuss] An Academic Sysadmin's Lament for ZFS ?

2007-09-10 Thread Richard Elling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > All of these threads to this point have not answered the needs in > anyway close to an solution that user quotas allow. I thought I did answer that... for some definition of "answer"... >> The main gap for .edu sites is quotas which will likely be solv

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS RAIDZ vs. RAID5.

2007-09-10 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 04:31:32PM +0100, Robert Milkowski wrote: > Hello Pawel, > > Excellent job! > > Now I guess it would be a good idea to get writes done properly, > even if it means make them slow (like with SVM). The end result > would be - do you want fast wrties/slow read

Re: [zfs-discuss] An Academic Sysadmin's Lament for ZFS ?

2007-09-10 Thread Wade . Stuart
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/10/2007 12:13:18 PM: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Very true, you could even pay people to track down heavy users and > > bonk them on the head. Why is everyone responding with alternate routes to > > a simple need? > > For the simple reason that sometimes

Re: [zfs-discuss] An Academic Sysadmin's Lament for ZFS ?

2007-09-10 Thread Darren J Moffat
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Very true, you could even pay people to track down heavy users and > bonk them on the head. Why is everyone responding with alternate routes to > a simple need? For the simple reason that sometimes it is good to challenge existing practice and try and find the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS RAIDZ vs. RAID5.

2007-09-10 Thread Darren Dunham
> Now I guess it would be a good idea to get writes done properly, > even if it means make them slow (like with SVM). The end result > would be - do you want fast wrties/slow reads go ahead with > raid-z; if you need fast reads/slow writes go with raid-5. > > btw: I'm just thin

Re: [zfs-discuss] An Academic Sysadmin's Lament for ZFS ?

2007-09-10 Thread Wade . Stuart
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/10/2007 11:40:16 AM: > Richard Elling wrote: > > There is also a long tail situation here, which is how I approached the > > problem at eng.Auburn.edu. 1% of the users will use > 90% of the space. For > > them, I had special places. For everyone else, they were lump

Re: [zfs-discuss] I/O freeze after a disk failure

2007-09-10 Thread Richard Elling
Gino wrote: >>> Richard, thank you for your detailed reply. >>> Unfortunately an other reason to stay with UFS in >> production .. >>> >> IMHO, maturity is the primary reason to stick with >> UFS. To look at >> this through the maturity lens, UFS is the great >> grandfather living on >> life su

Re: [zfs-discuss] An Academic Sysadmin's Lament for ZFS ?

2007-09-10 Thread Darren J Moffat
Richard Elling wrote: > There is also a long tail situation here, which is how I approached the > problem at eng.Auburn.edu. 1% of the users will use > 90% of the space. For > them, I had special places. For everyone else, they were lumped into > large-ish > buckets. A daily cron job easily ide

Re: [zfs-discuss] An Academic Sysadmin's Lament for ZFS ?

2007-09-10 Thread Richard Elling
Mike Gerdts wrote: > On 9/8/07, Richard Elling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Changing the topic slightly, the strategic question is: >> why are you providing disk space to students? > > For most programming and productivity (e.g. word processing, etc.) > people will likely be better suited by havi

Re: [zfs-discuss] An Academic Sysadmin's Lament for ZFS ?

2007-09-10 Thread Brian H. Nelson
Stephen Usher wrote: > > Brian H. Nelson: > > I'm sure it would be interesting for those on the list if you could > outline the gotchas so that the rest of us don't have to re-invent the > wheel... or at least not fall down the pitfalls. > Also, here's a link to the ufs on zvol blog where I or

Re: [zfs-discuss] Consequences of adding a root vdev later?

2007-09-10 Thread Mario Goebbels
> I'm more worried about the availability of my data in the even of a > controller failure. I plan on using 4-chan SATA controllers and > creating multiple 4 disk RAIDZ vdevs. I want to use a single pool, but > it looks like I can't as controller failure = ZERO access, although the > same can be

Re: [zfs-discuss] An Academic Sysadmin's Lament for ZFS ?

2007-09-10 Thread Brian H. Nelson
Mike Gerdts wrote: > The UFS on zvols option sounds intriguing to me, but I would guess > that the following could be problems: > > 1) Double buffering: Will ZFS store data in the ARC while UFS uses > traditional file system buffers? > This is probably an issue. You also have the journal+COW co

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS RAIDZ vs. RAID5.

2007-09-10 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Pawel, Excellent job! Now I guess it would be a good idea to get writes done properly, even if it means make them slow (like with SVM). The end result would be - do you want fast wrties/slow reads go ahead with raid-z; if you need fast reads/slow writes go with raid-5.

Re: [zfs-discuss] An Academic Sysadmin's Lament for ZFS ?

2007-09-10 Thread Brian H. Nelson
Stephen Usher wrote: > Brian H. Nelson: > > I'm sure it would be interesting for those on the list if you could > outline the gotchas so that the rest of us don't have to re-invent the > wheel... or at least not fall down the pitfalls. > I believe I ran into one or both of these bugs: 642999

Re: [zfs-discuss] Consequences of adding a root vdev later?

2007-09-10 Thread Mario Goebbels
> If I have a pool that made up of 2 raidz vdevs, all data is striped across? > So if I somehow lose a vdev I lose all my data?! If your vdevs are RAID-Z's, there has to be a rare coincidence to happen to break the pool (two disks failing in the same RAID-Z)... But yeah, ZFS spreads blocks to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Consequences of adding a root vdev later?

2007-09-10 Thread Curtis Schiewek
So, If I have a pool that made up of 2 raidz vdevs, all data is striped across? So if I somehow lose a vdev I lose all my data?! This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensola

[zfs-discuss] ZFS RAIDZ vs. RAID5.

2007-09-10 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
Hi. I've a prototype RAID5 implementation for ZFS. It only works in non-degraded state for now. The idea is to compare RAIDZ vs. RAID5 performance, as I suspected that RAIDZ, because of full-stripe operations, doesn't work well for random reads issued by many processes in parallel. There is of co

Re: [zfs-discuss] Query on Zpool mount point

2007-09-10 Thread Darren J Moffat
dudekula mastan wrote: > Hi All, > > At the time of zpool creation, user controls the zpool mount point by > using "-m" option. Is there a way to change this mount point dynamically ? By dynamically I assume me mean after the pool has been created. If yes then do this if your pool is called

[zfs-discuss] Query on Zpool mount point

2007-09-10 Thread dudekula mastan
Hi All, At the time of zpool creation, user controls the zpool mount point by using "-m" option. Is there a way to change this mount point dynamically ? Your help is appreciated. Thanks & Regards Masthan D - Building a website is a piece

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS/WAFL lawsuit

2007-09-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
David Hopwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Al Hopper wrote: > > So back to patent portfolios: yes there will be (public and private) > > posturing; yes there will be negotiations; and, ultimately, there will > > be a resolution. All of this won't affect ZFS or anyone running ZFS. > > It matters

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs mount snapshot

2007-09-10 Thread Darren J Moffat
Bruce Shaw wrote: > You should probably be doing a ZFS clone and backing that up. Why ? clones are writeable and are thus changing. I don't think that is good advice at all. Snapshots don't change and are perfect for backups for that reason. You don't need to clone to be able to continue writ