Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Frank Cusack
On January 28, 2007 7:57:31 PM -0800 "Anantha N. Srirama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Agreed, I guess I didn't articulate my point/thought very well. The best config is to present JBoDs and let ZFS provide the data protection. This has been a very stimulating conversation thread; it is shedding ne

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Anantha N. Srirama
Agreed, I guess I didn't articulate my point/thought very well. The best config is to present JBoDs and let ZFS provide the data protection. This has been a very stimulating conversation thread; it is shedding new light into how to best use ZFS. This message posted from opensolaris.org _

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Francois, Friday, January 26, 2007, 4:09:43 PM, you wrote: FD> On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 06:16 -0800, Jeffery Malloch wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> >> I am currently in the midst of setting up a completely new file server using >> a pretty well loaded Sun T2000 (8x1GHz, 16GB RAM) connected to an Eng

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Anantha, Friday, January 26, 2007, 5:06:46 PM, you wrote: ANS> All my feedback is based on Solaris 10 Update 2 (aka 06/06) and ANS> I've no comments on NFS. I strongly recommend that you use ZFS ANS> data redundancy (z1, z2, or mirror) and simply delegate the ANS> Engenio to stripe the data

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] zfs rewrite?

2007-01-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Jeff, Saturday, January 27, 2007, 8:27:09 AM, you wrote: JB> You're all correct. File data is never byte-swapped. Most metadata JB> needs to be byte-swapped, but it's generally only 1-2% of your space. JB> So the overhead shouldn't be significant, even if you never rewrite. I remember s

Re: [zfs-discuss] data wanted: disk kstats

2007-01-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Richard, Friday, January 26, 2007, 11:36:07 PM, you wrote: RE> We've been talking a lot recently about failure rates and types of RE> failures. As you may know, I do look at field data and generally don't RE> ask the group for more data. But this time, for various reasons (I RE> might hav

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: high density SAS

2007-01-28 Thread Richard Elling
Anton B. Rang wrote: How badly can you mess up a JBOD? Two words: vibration, cooling. Three more: power, signal quality. I've seen even individual drive cases with bad enough signal quality to cause bit errors. Yep, if I crank up the amp to over 1kW, then on some frequencies, I see lots of

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs rewrite?

2007-01-28 Thread Frank Cusack
On January 28, 2007 4:59:48 PM +0100 Pawel Jakub Dawidek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:08:50PM -0800, Darren Dunham wrote: > 3. I created file system with huge amount of data, where most of the > data is read-only. I change my server from intel to sparc64 machine. > Adapt

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding my own compression to zfs

2007-01-28 Thread Wade . Stuart
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/27/2007 06:48:17 AM: > is it planned to add some other compression algorithm to zfs ? > > lzjb is quite good and especially performing very well, but i`d like > to have better compression (bzip2?) - no matter how worse > performance drops with this. > > regards

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Gary Mills
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 06:19:25AM -0800, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: > > You're right that storage level snapshots are filesystem agnostic. I'm > not sure why you believe you won't be able to restore individual files > by using a NetApp snapshot? In the case of ZFS you'd take a periodic > snapshot

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Gary Mills
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 04:15:30PM -0800, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: > > I'm not sure what benefit you forsee by running a COW filesystem > (ZFS) on a COW array (NetApp). The application requires a filesystem with POSIX semantics. My first choice would be NFS from the Netapp, but this won't work

[zfs-discuss] Re: bug id 6381203

2007-01-28 Thread Leon Koll
Too bad...I was in the situation where every "zpool ..." command was stuck (as well as df command) and my hope was - it's a known/fixed bug. I could not save the core files, not sure I can reproduce the bug. Thank you for quick reply, [i]-- leon[/i] This message posted from opensolaris.org _

Re: [zfs-discuss] bug id 6381203

2007-01-28 Thread Neil Perrin
Hi Leon, This was fixed in March 2006, and is in S10_U2. Neil. Leon Koll wrote On 01/28/07 08:58,: Hello, what is the status of the bug 6381203 fix in S10 u3 ? ("deadlock due to i/o while assigning (tc_lock held)") Was it integrated? Is there a patch? Thanks, [i]-- leon[/i] This message

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs rewrite?

2007-01-28 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:08:50PM -0800, Darren Dunham wrote: > > What do you guys think about implementing 'zfs/zpool rewrite' command? > > It'll read every block older than the date when the command was executed > > and write it again (using standard ZFS COW mechanism, simlar to how > > resilver

[zfs-discuss] bug id 6381203

2007-01-28 Thread Leon Koll
Hello, what is the status of the bug 6381203 fix in S10 u3 ? ("deadlock due to i/o while assigning (tc_lock held)") Was it integrated? Is there a patch? Thanks, [i]-- leon[/i] This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Anantha N. Srirama
You're right that storage level snapshots are filesystem agnostic. I'm not sure why you believe you won't be able to restore individual files by using a NetApp snapshot? In the case of ZFS you'd take a periodic snapshot and use it to restore files, in the case of NetApp you can do the same (of c

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Casper . Dik
> >On 28-Jan-07, at 7:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >>> >>> On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: >>> ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Toby Thain
On 28-Jan-07, at 7:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that as well. My brother poi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: can I use zfs on just a partition?

2007-01-28 Thread Casper . Dik
>> Take note though, that giving zfs the entire disk gives a possible >> performance win, as zfs will only enable the write cache for the disk >> if it is given the entire disk. > >really? >why this? In the old days, Sun never enabled the write cache on devices because of reliability issues. (S

[zfs-discuss] Re: can I use zfs on just a partition?

2007-01-28 Thread roland
> Take note though, that giving zfs the entire disk gives a possible > performance win, as zfs will only enable the write cache for the disk > if it is given the entire disk. really? why this? is this tuneable somehow/somewhere? can i enabyle writecache if only using a dedicated partition ?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Alpha particles which "hit" CPUs must have their origin inside said CPU. > > (Alpha particles do not penentrate skin, paper, let alone system cases > or CPU packagaging) Gamma rays cannot be shielded in a senseful way. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Sch

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Erik Trimble
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that as well. My brother points out that you ca

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Casper . Dik
> >On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: > >> ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption >> after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. >> Sadly I've been hit with that as well. > > >My brother points out that you can use a rad hardened