[zfs-discuss] using veritas dmp with ZFS (but not vxvm)

2007-01-02 Thread Robert Cohen
We have some HDS storage that isn't supported by mpxio, so we have to use veritas dmp to get multipathing. Whats the recommended way to use DMP storage with ZFS. I want to use DMP but get at the multipathed virtual luns at as low a level as possible to avoid using vxvm as much as possible. I f

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS solve my problem?

2007-01-02 Thread David Magda
On Jan 2, 2007, at 11:14, Richard Elling wrote: Don't dispense with proper backups or you will be unhappy. One of my New Years resolutions is to campaign against unhappiness. So I would encourage you to explore ways to backup such large data stores in a timely and economical way. The Sun Sto

[zfs-discuss] I have a disk wedged in a zpool.

2007-01-02 Thread Rodney Lindner
Hi all, I have a interesting one. I have a disk wedged in a zpool. It can be seen from format and a analyze works fine, but from zfs the system has it marked as unavailable. (Yes the disk is probably flaky... I don't get my hands on the good disks) The system is 5.11 snv_55 sun4u sparc SUNW,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS over NFS extra slow?

2007-01-02 Thread Torrey McMahon
Dennis Clarke wrote: Another thing to keep an eye out for is disk caching. With ZFS, whenever the NFS server tells us to make sure something is on disk, we actually make sure it's on disk by asking the drive to flush dirty data in its write cache out to the media. Needless to say, this takes a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS over NFS extra slow?

2007-01-02 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Another thing to keep an eye out for is disk caching. With ZFS, > whenever the NFS server tells us to make sure something is on disk, we > actually make sure it's on disk by asking the drive to flush dirty data > in its write cache out to the media. Needless to say, this takes a > while. > > W

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS over NFS extra slow?

2007-01-02 Thread Bill Moore
Another thing to keep an eye out for is disk caching. With ZFS, whenever the NFS server tells us to make sure something is on disk, we actually make sure it's on disk by asking the drive to flush dirty data in its write cache out to the media. Needless to say, this takes a while. With UFS, it is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS over NFS extra slow?

2007-01-02 Thread Ben Rockwood
Brad Plecs wrote: I had a user report extreme slowness on a ZFS filesystem mounted over NFS over the weekend. After some extensive testing, the extreme slowness appears to only occur when a ZFS filesystem is mounted over NFS. One example is doing a 'gtar xzvf php-5.2.0.tar.gz'... over NFS onto

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS over NFS extra slow?

2007-01-02 Thread Brad Plecs
Ah, thanks -- reading that thread did a good job of explaining what I was seeing. I was going nuts trying to isolate the problem. Is work being done to improve this performance? 100% of my users are coming in over NFS, and that's a huge hit. Even on single large files, writes are slower by a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris crashes when ZFS device disappears

2007-01-02 Thread Nicholas Senedzuk
You may want to check some of the past postings to this list as I believe what you are seeing has already been discussed already. If I remember correctly this is a "feature" of zfs and is designed to protect the integrity of the data on the zfs file system. On 1/2/07, Willem van Schaik <[EMAIL PR

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS over NFS extra slow?

2007-01-02 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Hi Brad, I believe benr experienced the same/similar issue here: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=77347 If it is the same, I believe its a known ZFS/NFS interaction bug, and has to do with small file creation. Best Regards, Jason On 1/2/07, Brad Plecs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[zfs-discuss] ZFS over NFS extra slow?

2007-01-02 Thread Brad Plecs
I had a user report extreme slowness on a ZFS filesystem mounted over NFS over the weekend. After some extensive testing, the extreme slowness appears to only occur when a ZFS filesystem is mounted over NFS. One example is doing a 'gtar xzvf php-5.2.0.tar.gz'... over NFS onto a ZFS filesyste

[zfs-discuss] Solaris crashes when ZFS device disappears

2007-01-02 Thread Willem van Schaik
Played over Xmas a bit with ZFS on mirrored USB sticks. Which was fun When I pulled both sticks without doing any unmount, the filesystem seemed to be still there, all in cache of course. I even could open a file in vi, but when I then tried to save the file, I had expected a failure, but

Re: [security-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Secure Delete - without using Crypto

2007-01-02 Thread Olaf Manczak
james hughes wrote: This is intended as a defense in depth measure and also a sufficiently good measure for the customers that don't need full compliance with NIST like requirements that need degausing or physical destruction. Govt, finance, healthcare all require the NIST overwrite... Jim,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: zfs list and snapshots..

2007-01-02 Thread Wade . Stuart
Sorry a few corrections, and inserts.. > > which is not the behavior I am seeing.. If I have 100 snaps of a > filesystem that are relatively low delta churn and then delete half of the > data out there I would expect to see that space go up in the used column > for one of the snaps (in my test

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: zfs list and snapshots..

2007-01-02 Thread Wade . Stuart
I am bringing this up again with the hopes that more eye may be on the list now then before the holidays.. the zfs man page lists the usage column as: used The amount of space consumed by this dataset and all its descendants. This is the value that is checked against

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS solve my problem?

2007-01-02 Thread Richard Elling
Anders Troberg wrote: What I want: * Software RAID support, even across the network, so I can just add a bunch of parity disks and survive if a few disks crash. To me, it's well worth it to pony up with the money for 5-10 extra disks if I know that that many disks can fail before I

[zfs-discuss] zfs clones

2007-01-02 Thread Frank Batschulat
it seems taking a clone always requires taking a snapshot first and provide this as a parameter to the zfs clone command. now wouldnt it be more natural way of usage when I intend to create a clone, that by default the zfs clone command will create the needed snapshot from the current image int

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS solve my problem?

2007-01-02 Thread James Dickens
On 1/2/07, Anders Troberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've ploughed through the documentation, but it's kind of vague on some points and I need to buy some hardware if I'm to test it, so I thought I'd ask first. I'll begin by describing what I want to achieve, and would apreciate if someone could

[zfs-discuss] Can ZFS solve my problem?

2007-01-02 Thread Anders Troberg
I've ploughed through the documentation, but it's kind of vague on some points and I need to buy some hardware if I'm to test it, so I thought I'd ask first. I'll begin by describing what I want to achieve, and would apreciate if someone could tell me if this is possible or how close I can come.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: [security-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Secure Delete - without using Crypto

2007-01-02 Thread Darren J Moffat
Darren Reed wrote: Darren J Moffat wrote: ... Of course. I didn't mention it because I thought it was obvious but this would NOT break the COW or the transactional integrity of ZFS. One of the possible ways that the "to be bleached" blocks are dealt with in the face of a crash is just like

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: [security-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Secure Delete - without using Crypto

2007-01-02 Thread Darren Reed
Darren J Moffat wrote: ... Of course. I didn't mention it because I thought it was obvious but this would NOT break the COW or the transactional integrity of ZFS. One of the possible ways that the "to be bleached" blocks are dealt with in the face of a crash is just like everything else - t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: [security-discuss] Thoughts on ZFS Secure Delete - without using Crypto

2007-01-02 Thread Darren J Moffat
David Bustos wrote: Quoth Darren J Moffat on Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 03:31:59PM +: Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: I like the idea, I really do, but it will be s expensive because of ZFS' COW model. Not only file removal or truncation will call bleaching, but every single file system modificati

[zfs-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Difference between ZFS checksum algorithms

2007-01-02 Thread Darren J Moffat
Dmitry Mozheyko wrote: Hello all. Where i can find information about differences between fletcher2, fletcher4, and sha256 algorithms for ZFS checksums? Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checksum Then read up on Fletcher here at this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher's_

Re: [ufs-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] Differences between ZFS and UFS.

2007-01-02 Thread Frank Batschulat (Home)
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 18:13:04 +0100, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think removing the ability to use link(2) or unlink(2) on directories would hurt no-one and would make a few things easier. I'd be rather carful here, see the standards implications drafted in 4917742. The standard gives perm