[zfs-discuss] Re: bare metal ZFS ? How To ?

2006-11-23 Thread Akhilesh Mritunjai
Excuse me if I'm mistaken, but I think the question is on the lines of how to access and more importantly - Backup zfs pools/filesystems present on a system by just booting from a CD/DVD. I think the answer would be on the lines of (forced?) importing of zfs pools present on the system and then

[zfs-discuss] Re: bare metal ZFS ? How To ?

2006-11-23 Thread Peter Moore
Dennis, i'm not sure if this will help you, but i had something similar happen and was able to get my zpool back. i decided to install (not upgrade) Nevada snv-51 which was the current build at the time. I had (and thankfully still have) a zpool which i'd created under snv-37 on a separite disk

Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Calum Mackay
Calum Mackay wrote: We have had file delegation on by default in NFSv4 since Solaris 10 FCS, putback in July 2004. The delegation of a file gives the client certain guarantees about how that file may be accessed by other clients (regardless of NFS version) or processes local to the NFS server

Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Matt Sweeney
Bill, I did the same test on the Thumper I'm working on with the NFS vols converted from ZFS stripes to SVM stripes. In both cases same number/type of disks in the stripe. In my very simple test ,time for file in frame*; do cp /inq/$file /outq/$file; done, UFS did approximately 64 MB/s, th

Re: Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Bill Moore
On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 03:37:33PM +0100, Roch - PAE wrote: > Al Hopper writes: > > Hi Roch - you are correct in that the data presented was incomplete. I > > did'nt present data for the same test with an NFS mount from the same > > server, for a UFS based filesystem. So here is that data poin

Re: [zfs-discuss] bare metal ZFS ? How To ?

2006-11-23 Thread Dennis Clarke
> On 11/23/06, James Dickens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 11/23/06, Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > assume worst case >> > >> > someone walks up to you and drops an array on you. >> They say "its ZFS an' I need that der stuff 'k? " all while chewing on a >> > cig. >> > >> >

Re: [zfs-discuss] bare metal ZFS ? How To ?

2006-11-23 Thread James Dickens
On 11/23/06, James Dickens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/23/06, Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > this is off list on purpose ? > > > run zpool import, it will search all attached storage and give you a > list > > of availible pools. then run zpool import poolname or add a

Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Calum Mackay
We have had file delegation on by default in NFSv4 since Solaris 10 FCS, putback in July 2004. We're currently working on also providing directory delegations - client caching of directory contents - as part of the upcoming NFSv4.1. cheers, calum. Darren J Moffat wrote: Roch - PAE wrote:

[zfs-discuss] bare metal ZFS ? How To ?

2006-11-23 Thread Dennis Clarke
One of the things that I have taken for granted was that I can *always* boot a Sun server with a CDROM or DVD or jumpstart "boot net -srv" and get to a prompt. That allows me to fsck filesystems and ufsdump to tape if needed. In fact, I have generally done obscure things like fully install a serv

Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Darren J Moffat
Roch - PAE wrote: Not possible. Nothing related to ZFS here and if NFS had ways to make this better i think it would have been done in v4. If we extended the protocol to allow for exclusive mounts (single client access) then, I would think that the extra knowledge could be used to gain

Re: Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Roch - PAE
Al Hopper writes: > On Thu, 23 Nov 2006, Roch - PAE wrote: > > > > > Hi Al, You conclude: > > > >No problem there! ZFS rocks. NFS/ZFS is a bad combination. > > > > But my reading of your data leads to: > > > >single threaded small file creation is much slower > >over NFS

Re: Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Al Hopper
On Thu, 23 Nov 2006, Roch - PAE wrote: > > Hi Al, You conclude: > > No problem there! ZFS rocks. NFS/ZFS is a bad combination. > > But my reading of your data leads to: > > single threaded small file creation is much slower > over NFS than locally. regardless of the server FS.

Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi Roch, thanks, now I better understand the issue :). > Nope. NFS is slow for single threaded tar extract. The > conservative approach of NFS is needed with the NFS protocol > in order to ensure client's side data integrity. Nothing ZFS > related. ... > NFS is plenty fast in a throughpu

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS goes catatonic when drives go dead?

2006-11-23 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 12:09:09PM +0100, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 03:38:05AM -0800, Peter Eriksson wrote: > > There is nothing in the ZFS FAQ about this. I also fail to see how FMA > > could make any difference since it seems that ZFS is deadlocking somewhere > > in t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS goes catatonic when drives go dead?

2006-11-23 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 03:38:05AM -0800, Peter Eriksson wrote: > There is nothing in the ZFS FAQ about this. I also fail to see how FMA could > make any difference since it seems that ZFS is deadlocking somewhere in the > kernel when this happens... > > It works if you wrap all the physical dev

Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Roch - PAE
Nope, wrong conclusion again. This large performance degradation has nothing whatsoever to do with ZFS. I have not seen data that would show a possible slowness on the part of ZFS vfs AnyFS on the backend; there may well be and that would be an entirely diffenrent discussion to the large slowdo

Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi, I haven't followed all the details in this discussion, but it seems to me that it all breaks down to: - NFS on ZFS is slow due to NFS being very conservative when sending ACK to clients only after writes have definitely committed to disk. - Therefore, the problem is not that much ZFS speci

Re: Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Dennis Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > here is my machine here ( Solaris 8 Ultra 2 200MHz ) > > # cd /tmp > # ptime /export/home/dclarke/star -x -time -z file=/tmp/emacs-21.4a.tar.gz > /export/home/dclarke/star: 7457 blocks + 0 bytes (total of 76359680 bytes = > 74570.00k). > /export/home/dc

Re: Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Roch - PAE
Hi Al, You conclude: No problem there! ZFS rocks. NFS/ZFS is a bad combination. But my reading of your data leads to: single threaded small file creation is much slower over NFS than locally. regardless of the server FS. It's been posted on this alias before, Change Z