[zfs-discuss] Re: jbod questions

2006-09-29 Thread Anton B. Rang
Actually, random writes on a RAID-5, while not performing that well because of the pre-read, don't require a full stripe read (or write). They only require reading the old data and parity, then writing the new data and parity. This is quite a bit better than a full stripe, since only two actua

Re: [zfs-discuss] Snapshotting a pool ?

2006-09-29 Thread Patrick
Hey, You'll need to use one of the OpenSolaris/ZFS community releases to use the snapshot -r option, starting at build 43. Bugger, Anyone have an idea if it'll be patched into 06/06, or would it be a future release plan/plot/idea/etc... P ___ zfs-d

Re: [zfs-discuss] Snapshotting a pool ?

2006-09-29 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Patrick, You'll need to use one of the OpenSolaris/ZFS community releases to use the snapshot -r option, starting at build 43. Cindy Patrick wrote: Hey, Would 'zfs snapshot -r poolname' achieve what you want? I suppose, the idea, would... but alas : [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# zfs snapshot -

Re: [zfs-discuss] Snapshotting a pool ?

2006-09-29 Thread Patrick
Hey, Would 'zfs snapshot -r poolname' achieve what you want? I suppose, the idea, would... but alas : [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# zfs snapshot -r [EMAIL PROTECTED] invalid option 'r' usage: snapshot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/# ( solaris 06/06, with all patchen

Re: [zfs-discuss] Snapshotting a pool ?

2006-09-29 Thread Dick Davies
Would 'zfs snapshot -r poolname' achieve what you want? On 29/09/06, Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Is it possible to create a snapshot, for ZFS send purposes, of an entire pool ? -- Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns http://number9.hellooperator.net/

[zfs-discuss] Snapshotting a pool ?

2006-09-29 Thread Patrick
Hi, Is it possible to create a snapshot, for ZFS send purposes, of an entire pool ? Patrick -- Patrick patrick eefy net ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mai

Re: [zfs-discuss] jbod questions

2006-09-29 Thread Erik Trimble
On Fri, 2006-09-29 at 09:41 +0200, Roch wrote: > Erik Trimble writes: > > On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 10:51 -0700, Richard Elling - PAE wrote: > > > Keith Clay wrote: > > > > We are in the process of purchasing new san/s that our mail server > runs > > > > on (JES3). We have moved our mailstores t

Re: [zfs-discuss] jbod questions

2006-09-29 Thread Randy Bias
On Sep 29, 2006, at 6:24 AM, Roch wrote: Keith Clay writes: On Sep 29, 2006, at 2:41 AM, Roch wrote: IMO, RAIDZn should perform admirably on the write loads. The random reads aspects is more limited. The simple rule of thumb is to consider that a RAIDZ group will deliver random read IOPS with

[zfs-discuss] mirror issues

2006-09-29 Thread Keith Clay
In a raid config, you can have hot spares in case a drive goes back. Is replacing a mirror the only way to do similar? keith ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question: vxvm/dmp or zfs/mpxio

2006-09-29 Thread Torrey McMahon
Pierre Klovsjo wrote: Is ZFS/mpxio strong enough to be an alternativ to VXvm/Dmp today? Has anyone done this change and if so, what was your experiance? I can only speak for the multpathing side but I know that we've had plenty of sites change from DMP to Mpxio. Most of the rationale the cu

[zfs-discuss] Re: please remove my ignorance of raiding and mirroring

2006-09-29 Thread Anton B. Rang
Mirroring is more efficient for small reads (the size of one ZFS block or less) because only one disk has to be accessed. Since RAID-Z spreads a ZFS block across multiple disks, and the data from all disks is required to verify the checksum, every read accesses every disk. Mirror read: 1. Pic

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fastest way to send 100gb ( with ZFS send )

2006-09-29 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On 9/29/06, Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey, so i created a snapshot, ( zfs snapshot blah/mail/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) and then i tried to send it accross the network, ( zfs send blah/mail/[EMAIL PROTECTED] | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] zfs recv blah/mail/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) and i only seem to be g

Re: [zfs-discuss] please remove my ignorance of raiding and mirroring

2006-09-29 Thread Frank Cusack
On September 29, 2006 11:09:21 AM -0500 Keith Clay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Folks, I've heard that for small reads/writes (like a mailstore), mirroring is preferred to raiding. Can some explain why or direct me to that info? I assumed that raidzn would be the preferred method but apparentl

[zfs-discuss] please remove my ignorance of raiding and mirroring

2006-09-29 Thread Keith Clay
Folks, I've heard that for small reads/writes (like a mailstore), mirroring is preferred to raiding. Can some explain why or direct me to that info? I assumed that raidzn would be the preferred method but apparently not. thanks, keith ___ zfs

Re: [zfs-discuss] moving fs from a dead box

2006-09-29 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Keith, Friday, September 29, 2006, 3:17:14 PM, you wrote: KC> Folks, KC> Let's say you have a box that dies with zfs filesystems from a san on KC> them (a mirror config) and so you can't export the fs. Can you move KC> the fs to a new box? How so? If you configure your SAN so new host

[zfs-discuss] Fastest way to send 100gb ( with ZFS send )

2006-09-29 Thread Patrick
Hey, so i created a snapshot, ( zfs snapshot blah/mail/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) and then i tried to send it accross the network, ( zfs send blah/mail/[EMAIL PROTECTED] | ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] zfs recv blah/mail/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) and i only seem to be getting 2 - 4 mb / s... unless i'm missing somthi

Re: [zfs-discuss] jbod questions

2006-09-29 Thread Roch
Keith Clay writes: > > On Sep 29, 2006, at 2:41 AM, Roch wrote: > > > >> > > > > IMO, RAIDZn should perform admirably on the write loads. > > The random reads aspects is more limited. The simple rule of > > thumb is to consider that a RAIDZ group will deliver random > > read IOPS with

[zfs-discuss] moving fs from a dead box

2006-09-29 Thread Keith Clay
Folks, Let's say you have a box that dies with zfs filesystems from a san on them (a mirror config) and so you can't export the fs. Can you move the fs to a new box? How so? keith ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://m

Re: [zfs-discuss] jbod questions

2006-09-29 Thread Keith Clay
On Sep 29, 2006, at 2:41 AM, Roch wrote: IMO, RAIDZn should perform admirably on the write loads. The random reads aspects is more limited. The simple rule of thumb is to consider that a RAIDZ group will deliver random read IOPS with the performance characteristic of single device. That rul

Re: [zfs-discuss] jbod questions

2006-09-29 Thread Roch
Erik Trimble writes: > On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 10:51 -0700, Richard Elling - PAE wrote: > > Keith Clay wrote: > > > We are in the process of purchasing new san/s that our mail server runs > > > on (JES3). We have moved our mailstores to zfs and continue to have > > > checksum errors -- they

[zfs-discuss] Re: mkdir == zfs create

2006-09-29 Thread Chris Gerhard
> Why map it to mkdir rather than using zfs create ? Because mkdir means > it will work over NFS or CIFS. Also your users and applications don't need to know. The administrator sets the policy and then it just happens, plus the resulting "directories" would end up with the correct ownership mode